RE: 2024 Lotus Emeya | PH Review
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I soooo want to like it but......sorry it's a no from me. The design is clumsy (did Lotus have any input?) and those front lights remind me of the cheap stereos people bought in the 80s; "oh look lots of lights! It must be good" when the good stuff (Mission Cyrus 1 for example) had none.
I thought manufacturers had finally moved on from the whole "glue a massive iPad to the dash" interior design scheme. it looked crap 10 years ago, it looks crap now, and it'll look crap in 10 years time.
Sure, it's functional, it's a very simple and effective way to give both driver and passenger access to all the cars features. And that's all well and good in a functional car like a Tesla or an MG, but premium manufacturers can, and should, do better.
Sure, it's functional, it's a very simple and effective way to give both driver and passenger access to all the cars features. And that's all well and good in a functional car like a Tesla or an MG, but premium manufacturers can, and should, do better.
d son of a Kia and an A7. 911Spanker said:
May as well get a BYD or MG as this doesn't seem to be much different.
Seems like Lotus haven't managed to beat a Taycan which is now a pretty old design. No excuse really.
BYD Seal is an interesting case. It's £25k in China and that's retail. In terms of factory cost, it's probably rolling off the line for no more than £10-15k. There is obviously a cost to export but it is widely accepted that manufacturers apply mark-up based on the consumers affordability in that particular market. So markups range from 40-120+% fundamentally based on how dumb a consumer market is deemed to be and their access to easy credit. Seems like Lotus haven't managed to beat a Taycan which is now a pretty old design. No excuse really.
So what, business is business and none of us need to buy these things but first look at these Lotus cars and one might be forgiven for struggling to see what sets them apart from the BYD Seal? They're both inexpensive steel cars banged out on an ultra efficient production line in a market where land and labour is far more cost effective than Europe or elsewhere in the West. Apart from a bit more on materials as they've loaded it up with batteries, albeit clearly quite cheap cells, this Lotus really isn't going to be costing notably more to put together than a BUD Seal or the other cheap Chinese car the Tesla 3/Y.
By comparison the Taycan is made in Germany, a much higher cost market and it also imports cells from Korea for assembly into batteries locally so isn't benefitting from super cheap Chinese batteries.
While the Taycan has a hell of a mark-up it's really, really difficult to see where the value is in the Lotus and why it's trading near Taycan prices when it clearly ought to be closer to Tesla/BYD pricing. It's clearly seeking to be acquired as a modern, faux Veblen product?
I’m going to be brave and buck the trend here a bit.
I like how that looks. Not from the back much, but the rest of it looks alright to me!
However..
I have an EV already ( on salary sacrifice, naturally), and might have considered this as a replacement, but its about 40 grand more than it should be. I have mine because it was “good value” at the time for a new, family hack.
I guess it depends how desperate they are to shift them at a later point.
That is not a lotus. I don’t care what the badge says. I’d almost be happier considering it with a Hyundai badge on the front.
The Eletre’s are apparently horrendously inefficient. I wonder if this is any better real world.
I like how that looks. Not from the back much, but the rest of it looks alright to me!
However..
I have an EV already ( on salary sacrifice, naturally), and might have considered this as a replacement, but its about 40 grand more than it should be. I have mine because it was “good value” at the time for a new, family hack.
I guess it depends how desperate they are to shift them at a later point.
That is not a lotus. I don’t care what the badge says. I’d almost be happier considering it with a Hyundai badge on the front.
The Eletre’s are apparently horrendously inefficient. I wonder if this is any better real world.
Walshenham said:
I’m going to be brave and buck the trend here a bit.
I like how that looks. Not from the back much, but the rest of it looks alright to me!
However..
I have an EV already ( on salary sacrifice, naturally), and might have considered this as a replacement, but its about 40 grand more than it should be. I have mine because it was “good value” at the time for a new, family hack.
I guess it depends how desperate they are to shift them at a later point.
That is not a lotus. I don’t care what the badge says. I’d almost be happier considering it with a Hyundai badge on the front.
The Eletre’s are apparently horrendously inefficient. I wonder if this is any better real world.
+1 Don't think it is that bad looking, certainly no worse than many of the current top end EV saloons. Not sure the range/price stats really add up though and the suspicion is that you'll be hit hard by depreciation as they may well start to cut the price....I like how that looks. Not from the back much, but the rest of it looks alright to me!
However..
I have an EV already ( on salary sacrifice, naturally), and might have considered this as a replacement, but its about 40 grand more than it should be. I have mine because it was “good value” at the time for a new, family hack.
I guess it depends how desperate they are to shift them at a later point.
That is not a lotus. I don’t care what the badge says. I’d almost be happier considering it with a Hyundai badge on the front.
The Eletre’s are apparently horrendously inefficient. I wonder if this is any better real world.
Walshenham said:
I’m going to be brave and buck the trend here a bit.
I like how that looks. Not from the back much, but the rest of it looks alright to me!
However..
I have an EV already ( on salary sacrifice, naturally), and might have considered this as a replacement, but its about 40 grand more than it should be. I have mine because it was “good value” at the time for a new, family hack.
I guess it depends how desperate they are to shift them at a later point.
That is not a lotus. I don’t care what the badge says. I’d almost be happier considering it with a Hyundai badge on the front.
The Eletre’s are apparently horrendously inefficient. I wonder if this is any better real world.
It certainly looks priced to ensure all the BIK and any other savings go direct to Lotus. I like how that looks. Not from the back much, but the rest of it looks alright to me!
However..
I have an EV already ( on salary sacrifice, naturally), and might have considered this as a replacement, but its about 40 grand more than it should be. I have mine because it was “good value” at the time for a new, family hack.
I guess it depends how desperate they are to shift them at a later point.
That is not a lotus. I don’t care what the badge says. I’d almost be happier considering it with a Hyundai badge on the front.
The Eletre’s are apparently horrendously inefficient. I wonder if this is any better real world.
Re efficiency the 270 mile version and the 330 both have 100kwh batteries so that doesn't anppear to imply the efficiency game has moved on!
The Eletre has a 112kwh battery and its models range from 300-370miles. 10% more battery and 10% more range but you'd think the GT car would have better aero although that's only really going to come into play at much higher speeds.
Best guess is that if they're using the same tech they'll have the same issue.
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