RE: HWA Evo: 'Please don't call it a restomod'

[C.A.R.]

I think it needs a chrome grille. All blacked-out isn't working.

Part of the appeal of the original 190 Evo was the juxtaposition of the regular cars' chrome grille against the wild bodykit and crazy rear wing. By blacking-out the grille it loses some of that charm IMO.

[DaveyBoyWonder]

What a superb thing. Bonkers money and there are a million cars out there that'll no doubt drive far better/faster for a fraction of the cost but thats not the point is it? Just look at it!!!

[damonbill]

I found these guys randomly on insta the other day, 90% of the cool at a fraction of the price:

https://stern-garage.com/w201/

They also make some amazing v12 twin turbo w140's and w124s.

[Snubs]

CLK-GTR said:

I don't like restomods but as far as they go this is right up there. Helps that it's based on an ultra cool car to begin with.

Now can HWA have a go at recreating that other famous racing car of theirs, the CLK-GTR

Meant as a joke I'm sure but I'd still be intrigued to see that in as much as where would you they go with it? The looks and size were already pretty extreme, the engineering was pretty much all racecar. If anything i could see HWA toning the CLK GTR back down with a more regular gearbox or something that that...

[Baddie]

DonkeyApple said:

I'm not sure I quite believe the reasoning for the M276 being chosen for their restomod project. It's a pretty big engine and quite too heavy with all the DOHC gubbins sitting on top of a tall V. Arguably the iconic engine to use for a restomod in order to get a real restomod feel would be the M113 V8 which is tiny, weights the same, the weight sits much lower and it's really not much longer.

I wonder if when creating this rather lovely restomod they didn't have to move the front track forward so as to be able to sink the very tall V6 low enough?

Anyway, great restomod. Well done.

Interesting, hadn’t thought of the M113 as compact or light, thought it was an old-school lump heavy but very durable. Would it have the right character for a racy DTM hommage? Would’ve thought the dry sump would have dropped the V6 low enough and the front axle was moved to get the weight distribution by putting the engine behind it.

I’m not sure about the V6 turbo either, maybe a re-engineering like Singer or Tuthill to produce a revvy NA motor.

[slopes]

I’d have one, in a dark purple colour. Always did prefer this to the M3.

[trevalvole]

Article said:

Von Schöning says, “we had performance targets which meant we could not use another four-cylinder, and the V6 is short enough to mean we have this in a front-mid configuration ahead of the axle. The 60-degree angle means it is also low, which benefits the centre of gravity. Of course, we thought about using a V8, but that would have been really heavy on the front axle - we would have maybe had the same power but more weight.”

Surely a 60-degree V6 is taller than a 90-degree V8 with the same-sized cylinders?

I'm still not sure about the decision to fit a V6 - if the potential owner drives it at all, is it more likely to be at 5/10ths listening to the sound of the engine, or at >8/10ths when things like weight distribution come into play?

[Murph7355]

Someone had to say it....prefer the original.

This wouldn't get on any length list I have of "what to spend 750k on"... And am quite surprised that more than zero people are prepared to. But fair play to them. Takes all sorts.

[British Beef]

I love the look of these - the originals, as they were homologations.

Although im pretty sure the average person looking at these would probably think, "just a modded old 190" with fat arches and big wing, basically a max power special, which essentially this is, albeit extremely professionally done!

[Diderot]

Murph7355 said:

Someone had to say it....prefer the original.

This wouldn't get on any length list I have of "what to spend 750k on"... And am quite surprised that more than zero people are prepared to. But fair play to them. Takes all sorts.

Yup. Exactly my thoughts.

[Chris-c1qtx]

Moving the front axel forward completely ruins the side profile of the car. Still, it's only a restomod, so no harm done.

[Angelo1985]

Showed the pictures to my missus saying “that’s my next Mercedes”. She replied: “are we going to deal with drugs in Eastern Europe with it?”
I think it sums up the aesthetics compartment of this car

[trevalvole]

Baddie said:

DonkeyApple said:

I'm not sure I quite believe the reasoning for the M276 being chosen for their restomod project. It's a pretty big engine and quite too heavy with all the DOHC gubbins sitting on top of a tall V. Arguably the iconic engine to use for a restomod in order to get a real restomod feel would be the M113 V8 which is tiny, weights the same, the weight sits much lower and it's really not much longer.

I wonder if when creating this rather lovely restomod they didn't have to move the front track forward so as to be able to sink the very tall V6 low enough?

Anyway, great restomod. Well done.

Interesting, hadn’t thought of the M113 as compact or light, thought it was an old-school lump heavy but very durable. Would it have the right character for a racy DTM hommage? Would’ve thought the dry sump would have dropped the V6 low enough and the front axle was moved to get the weight distribution by putting the engine behind it.

I’m not sure about the V6 turbo either, maybe a re-engineering like Singer or Tuthill to produce a revvy NA motor.

One point in the V6's favour, is I'd suspect you'd struggle to get much more than 400bhp out of an n/a 5.4 litre M113, and perhaps the supercharged version would bring more packaging issues? May be they should have used a 5.5 litre M273 V8?

[zorba_the_greek]

How much!!!!???

[JJJ.]

damonbill said:

I found these guys randomly on insta the other day, 90% of the cool at a fraction of the price:

https://stern-garage.com/w201/

They also make some amazing v12 twin turbo w140's and w124s.

They always seem to produce top quality work and have been at it a long time now. There's some really interesting vids on YT , autobahn testing various models with acceleration times posted. The workshop vids are very interesting too.
Team Stadler is another company that specialises in W201's mainly 16V's and W202's and race original DTM cars of the period.
If I had 100-150k spare I'd certainly be tempted but then again that sort of money buys a lot of other interesting and desirable cars from yesteryear.
As for the HWA EVO I'm sure it awesome but it doesn't have the same appeal as an original EVOII.

Edited by JJJ. on Thursday 20th June 10:08

[DonkeyApple]

Baddie said:

DonkeyApple said:

I'm not sure I quite believe the reasoning for the M276 being chosen for their restomod project. It's a pretty big engine and quite too heavy with all the DOHC gubbins sitting on top of a tall V. Arguably the iconic engine to use for a restomod in order to get a real restomod feel would be the M113 V8 which is tiny, weights the same, the weight sits much lower and it's really not much longer.

I wonder if when creating this rather lovely restomod they didn't have to move the front track forward so as to be able to sink the very tall V6 low enough?

Anyway, great restomod. Well done.

Interesting, hadn’t thought of the M113 as compact or light, thought it was an old-school lump heavy but very durable. Would it have the right character for a racy DTM hommage? Would’ve thought the dry sump would have dropped the V6 low enough and the front axle was moved to get the weight distribution by putting the engine behind it.

I’m not sure about the V6 turbo either, maybe a re-engineering like Singer or Tuthill to produce a revvy NA motor.

You'd need an i4 or 6 for a revvy NA motor and I guess an I4 wouldn't deliver enough power and something like the M256 I6 would be too long.

The M113 is an amazing unit. It's a tiny thing and light, smaller in some dimensions than a RV8 engine but with whallops more power and even as SOHC then can be made very revvy. And the natural noise is certainly very good, not as pushroddy as an LS and with a sharpness more associated with later DOHC units. A much under rated AMG engine.

[andy43]

Took a good bit of scrolling thru the article to find the engine spec!
M113 into 190 has been done quite a bit. M113K has been done too - 475bhp standard - I had it in my CLS and can confirm it’s freaking awesome - ridiculous torque and sounds beautiful.
The V6 they’ve used is cool but a 190 deserves something old school imo.

[nismo48]

Diderot said:

Murph7355 said:

Someone had to say it....prefer the original.

This wouldn't get on any length list I have of "what to spend 750k on"... And am quite surprised that more than zero people are prepared to. But fair play to them. Takes all sorts.

Yup. Exactly my thoughts.

It does

[thegreenhell]

Top Gear have done a technical walkaround of the car with the head engineer bloke

[Rat_Fink_67]

trevalvole said:

One point in the V6's favour, is I'd suspect you'd struggle to get much more than 400bhp out of an n/a 5.4 litre M113, and perhaps the supercharged version would bring more packaging issues? May be they should have used a 5.5 litre M273 V8?

The final M113 derivative was the M152 that was used in the R172 SLK55 AMG. Good for 416bhp, and fitted with a really good cylinder shutdown sytem. It would've fitted the bill nicely!