Speed limiters from July 7 2024 on all new cars

[Gibbler290]

Baldchap said:

I'll be keeping my 2022 B5 forever I think.

You should be doing this anyway tbh

[Wills2]

OldGermanHeaps said:

Remappers will be loving the new revenue stream.

Not with the encryption that comes with the new cybersecurity directive that comes into force at the same time.

[OldGermanHeaps]

Wills2 said:

Not with the encryption that comes with the new cybersecurity directive that comes into force at the same time.

I have every faith in enterprising eastern european back street garages will have it cracked in no time.

[ecsrobin]

Wills2 said:

Putting your lame joke aside.

The biggest issue is when you're faced with a road that council has decided to festoon with white lines, parking spaces/cycle path/hatched central reservation, coupled with traffic islands and building out the pavement at minor junctions (turning a straight road into an obstacle course) the car fights almost every input you make as you try to weave your way down it, it's an appalling system.

That large pot hole that you want to go around? If your move means you'll touch the white line it'll fight your steering input, want to get a better view and road position for a corner? Yep you guessed it the steering will fight that as well, sometimes you have to make room for another drivers error it'll fight that as well, same with passing a cyclist, it's awful it's like a personal version of a smart motorway.

Lane assist on the motorway is brilliant and I turn it on. Lane assist in a city or town I turn off. It’s like traction control I’m sure most of us leave it on but there are times we will turn it off. Make an assessment of your surroundings and adjust the aids based off that.

[ferret50]

How long did it take to get rid of the man carrying a red flag?

[biggbn]

I'm assuming all of those vehemently against nanny state snooping don't have mobile phones, Internet connections, smart TV or shop online, use store cards etc.... I'm always astonished how they manage to post their protestations given they must surely live off grid with the comfort of a thick blanket and a log burner...(sounds like heaven to me by the way!!)

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OldGermanHeaps said:

Remappers will be loving the new revenue stream.

Unlikely as much of it will be hard coded buried deep in the EEPROM which may also leave markers if its messed about with.

[johnboy1975]

biggbn said:

I'm assuming all of those vehemently against nanny state snooping don't have mobile phones, Internet connections, smart TV or shop online, use store cards etc.... I'm always astonished how they manage to post their protestations given they must surely live off grid with the comfort of a thick blanket and a log burner...(sounds like heaven to me by the way!!)

It's actually useful to display the current max legal speed alongside your current speed. Fill yer boots and colour it in if you like (as Google maps does, and other Sat Navs). There's no need for any of the bells and whistles (literally)

[kambites]

119 said:

OldGermanHeaps said:

Remappers will be loving the new revenue stream.

Unlikely as much of it will be hard coded buried deep in the EEPROM which may also leave markers if its messed about with.

It's not really any different than the engine map in that regard and there seems to be a market for fiddling with that.

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kambites said:

119 said:

OldGermanHeaps said:

Remappers will be loving the new revenue stream.

Unlikely as much of it will be hard coded buried deep in the EEPROM which may also leave markers if its messed about with.

It's not really any different than the engine map in that regard and there seems to be a market for fiddling with that.

Oh im not saying its impossible, but would take a fair bit of digging to find and alter, unlike engine remaps, which also can be flagged in the ECU.

And that is assuming it can even be found! Much like people trying to code out stop/start and usually failing.

[Baldchap]

biggbn said:

I'm assuming all of those vehemently against nanny state snooping don't have mobile phones, Internet connections, smart TV or shop online, use store cards etc.... I'm always astonished how they manage to post their protestations given they must surely live off grid with the comfort of a thick blanket and a log burner...(sounds like heaven to me by the way!!)

The constant bings and bongs, *even if not speeding* are bloody annoying.

And that's assuming the road sign recognition is working and correct...

[Timothy Bucktu]

Singapore woman jailed for speeding based on car data
https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2024/05/...
Insurance risk based on driving data
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/technology/carm...

[biggbn]

Baldchap said:

biggbn said:

I'm assuming all of those vehemently against nanny state snooping don't have mobile phones, Internet connections, smart TV or shop online, use store cards etc.... I'm always astonished how they manage to post their protestations given they must surely live off grid with the comfort of a thick blanket and a log burner...(sounds like heaven to me by the way!!)

The constant bings and bongs, *even if not speeding* are bloody annoying.

And that's assuming the road sign recognition is working and correct...

I was specifically referring to the information sharing part that so many seem against, not the limiters themselves. Personally, I have zero issues with limiters but I can understand why many do, and that's cool.

[PSRG]

Wills2 said:

Putting your lame joke aside.

The biggest issue is when you're faced with a road that council has decided to festoon with white lines, parking spaces/cycle path/hatched central reservation, coupled with traffic islands and building out the pavement at minor junctions (turning a straight road into an obstacle course) the car fights almost every input you make as you try to weave your way down it, it's an appalling system.

That large pot hole that you want to go around? If your move means you'll touch the white line it'll fight your steering input, want to get a better view and road position for a corner? Yep you guessed it the steering will fight that as well, sometimes you have to make room for another drivers error it'll fight that as well, same with passing a cyclist, it's awful it's like a personal version of a smart motorway.

Maybe not all installations of lane assist are the same, but I don't find any of those things an issue with the set-up in my BMW i5. I've set the interference level to 'low', and find it very seldom triggers if I have made an intentional move to cross a white line or turn to avoid an obstacle. It does alert / 'bong' if I drift across, but it seems pretty good at determining if a steering movement is intentional or unintentional.

[FiF]

Going to be interesting to see which other manufacturers adopt the Renault approach. Set up all the driver aids according to preference, that gives a preferred profile. Next start up they're all enabled per the regulations. One easy button press and your profile is engaged, bings and bongs told to STFU, as they should be.

Bongs about breaking speed limit when you're actually doing a true 28 in a 30. Not good enough and manufacturers should know it, and probably do.

[Deranged Rover]

Pica-Pica said:

I disagree on the auto-sensing wipers. On my F30, as soon as rain shows, I just switch them on and forget.

Surely if they are auto-sensing, you can just leave them on all the time?

[Fox-]

Deranged Rover said:

Surely if they are auto-sensing, you can just leave them on all the time?

No, they must be switched on each time you use the car and they remain on for the rest of the journey (and stay on if you stop for a short time).

This resulted in much complaining from people who said it was rubbish and automatic should mean automatic all the time, even though this way of doing it is much more sensible.

Unfortunately, BMW eventually listened to this and the current cars, including my own, are now on all the time. So you're only ever one small bit of water away from the wipers helpfully smearing the screen with dust when you don't want them to. It was much better the way it was before.

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Deranged Rover said:

Pica-Pica said:

I disagree on the auto-sensing wipers. On my F30, as soon as rain shows, I just switch them on and forget.

Surely if they are auto-sensing, you can just leave them on all the time?

You'd think.

Most of the cars ive owned/driven are activated by moving the stalk one notch and then the sensitivity can be adjusted, others are on a button that switches off when the ignition is switched off.

Like with ALL of these assistance systems, some manufacturers implement them better than others.

[Boleros]

Slightly confused by the article. It talks about how speed limiters are set by the driver but then goes on to describe how it's automatically used by GPS, etc to reduce speed/engine power. So which is it, driver operated or a no choice widget?

Oddly enough, I already have this in my car (a 2017 Vogue SE) but it is entirely manual. Tried it once or twice when I first got it and it does work but never bothered since. Sounds daft, but I actually use my cruise control for this purpose more than anything. My village has a 20mph limit so I set my cruise control at 20 for the mile or so it takes to get my house. Quite effective, especially as the village is a rat run for all sorts.

[DodgyGeezer]

119 said:

kambites said:

119 said:

OldGermanHeaps said:

Remappers will be loving the new revenue stream.

Unlikely as much of it will be hard coded buried deep in the EEPROM which may also leave markers if its messed about with.

It's not really any different than the engine map in that regard and there seems to be a market for fiddling with that.

Oh im not saying its impossible, but would take a fair bit of digging to find and alter, unlike engine remaps, which also can be flagged in the ECU.

And that is assuming it can even be found! Much like people trying to code out stop/start and usually failing.

on the coding side isn't that why Porsche are not continuing with the 718 Boxster and Cayman? If VAG are having issues making it profitable for them....

Wills2 said:

I've experience this system in various BMWs coupled with lane assist it's a ruddy pain the arse so needs to be turned off but some of the BMWs I had did some very funky stuff even with it turned off it's as bad as front collision avoidance which appears to have been designed to just slam on the brakes randomly.

But this is only in BMWs and they have never worked out how to get auto sensing wipers to work so others might be better at it.

sound like many Tesla drivers will feel that BMW and Tesla have shared coding