RE: 2025 BMW M5 prototype (G90) | PH Review

[Sofa]

Clivey said:

740EVTORQUES said:

How is a Taycan Turbo not better in every way than this behemoth?

The rear passenger / cargo space in a Taycan are severely compromised by the aerodynamic body shape with it's low roofline. It's more of an 8-Series GC competitor, if anything.

Have you been in a Taycan? I'm 6'4" and am perfectly comfortable in the back of one. The boot is a decent size and you've also got a pretty decent 'frunk'- no it's not as good as a 5 Series but you also don't look like a airport chauffeur/regional head of photocopier sales when you drive one. The cabin and driving dynamics are also miles ahead of the 5er in my opinion- and I say all this as someone who historically would always have picked the M5 as the new car they'd buy if money was no object...

[Arsecati]

said:

'Frunk'? Seriously man??

[Nomme de Plum]

Arsecati said:

said:

'Frunk'? Seriously man??

It’s marginally better than Foot.

[Nomme de Plum]

Sofa said:

Clivey said:

740EVTORQUES said:

How is a Taycan Turbo not better in every way than this behemoth?

The rear passenger / cargo space in a Taycan are severely compromised by the aerodynamic body shape with it's low roofline. It's more of an 8-Series GC competitor, if anything.

Have you been in a Taycan? I'm 6'4" and am perfectly comfortable in the back of one. The boot is a decent size and you've also got a pretty decent 'frunk'- no it's not as good as a 5 Series but you also don't look like a airport chauffeur/regional head of photocopier sales when you drive one. The cabin and driving dynamics are also miles ahead of the 5er in my opinion- and I say all this as someone who historically would always have picked the M5 as the new car they'd buy if money was no object...

I found the Turismo quite practicable.

[DMZ]

740EVTORQUES said:

How is a Taycan Turbo not better in every way than this behemoth?

I had the exact opposite thought tbh. The M5 is a fast motorway cruiser with V8 boom boom, the Taycan is god knows what. If the choice is limited to 2,400kg cars, I’d take the M5.

[pheonix478]

Sofa said:

Clivey said:

740EVTORQUES said:

How is a Taycan Turbo not better in every way than this behemoth?

The rear passenger / cargo space in a Taycan are severely compromised by the aerodynamic body shape with it's low roofline. It's more of an 8-Series GC competitor, if anything.

Have you been in a Taycan? I'm 6'4" and am perfectly comfortable in the back of one. The boot is a decent size and you've also got a pretty decent 'frunk'- no it's not as good as a 5 Series but you also don't look like a airport chauffeur/regional head of photocopier sales when you drive one. The cabin and driving dynamics are also miles ahead of the 5er in my opinion- and I say all this as someone who historically would always have picked the M5 as the new car they'd buy if money was no object...

I'm going to hazard a guess you've been in a Taycan with the glass pano roof. They have way more height for rear passengers. The poverty spec cars headliner is way lower in the back and feels even more cramped than it actually is. I don't know what the 8 series is like but the Taycan is a perfect useable adult 4 seater. The boot is small though, but whatever.

[JAMSXR]

I would have a Taycan over this, but I’ll take an F90 M5 over both of them.

I’m sure this will fair better then the Mercedes 4 pot C63 thanks to having a V8, but i struggle with hybrids, too much of a halfway house.

[740EVTORQUES]

How many people who can afford one of these only have 1 car?

In which case it seems a ridiculously compromised answer to conflicting demand that are far better answered with two cars, a motorway cruiser (probably EV) and a lighter sportscar.

[cerb4.5lee]

JAMSXR said:

I would have a Taycan over this, but I’ll take an F90 M5 over both of them.

I’m sure this will fair better then the Mercedes 4 pot C63 thanks to having a V8, but i struggle with hybrids, too much of a halfway house.

I'm with you on that as well, and for me you either need to go full EV, or just stick with ICE only. Plus all the hybrids I've driven...don't drive all that well anyway, and they really feel their weight too.

[AlexGSi2000]

Just to comment on the size thing.... I've mainly been running BMW 5's for the past 6 or 7 years.

I had a few e39 530d's as daily's before managing to acquire an e39 m5.
A few months after, I purchased an e60 as a daily - it felt quite abit larger than the e39, but was fine and quickly got used to it.

Fast forward a couple of years I came across an F10 520d that needed a little work, so I purchased that to replace the Mrs current daily.

My word, the F10 compared to the e60 felt twice the size!
The e60 looks quite small in comparison to the F10, but wouldn't like to go any bigger.

[Harry_523]

Just had a look and interestingly this weighs almost exactly the same as the Panamera Turbo E-hybrid thing.

This https://media.polestar.com/global/en/models/polest... honestly looks like a bigger problem for the M5 than the Taycan is...

[CKY]

Nomme de Plum said:

Yahonza said:

Is it agile and still a driver's car, or is it fundamentally compromised?

Was a large saloon with a good engine and decent suspension ever a proper driver's car, whatever that means? It was always big so never going to compete with more nimble machines many with more modest output.

Although probably not large enough for 4 'units' from the gym today, my E12 M535i was a decent drivers' car for a 4 door saloon car; nice engine, close ratio dogleg gearbox, LSD, cloth Recaro seats to hold you in place, brilliant cars. Nowhere near ugly enough or wielding enough 32 inch screens to sate the ADHD of motorists nowadays, but i'd happily have a mint E12 over this new M5 - it offers more to me as a driver than some 2.5 tonne brick that is objectively worse than the car it replaces and does all of the fun stuff for you.

[8Ace]

Not even a twitch

[stuart100]

cerb4.5lee said:

JAMSXR said:

I would have a Taycan over this, but I’ll take an F90 M5 over both of them.

I’m sure this will fair better then the Mercedes 4 pot C63 thanks to having a V8, but i struggle with hybrids, too much of a halfway house.

I'm with you on that as well, and for me you either need to go full EV, or just stick with ICE only. Plus all the hybrids I've driven...don't drive all that well anyway, and they really feel their weight too.

I have read people with hybrid BMWs (for e.g. a 530e) that regretted it. They felt their weight and the battery didn't hold it's charge well. So the ICE wound up carting around the heavy mass of the non-functioning hybrid system.

A guy in my office has a mini hybrid. To be environmentally friendly. Wanted to use the battery on a lot of his small local trips. The range is dropping over the last couple of years. Mini have had it several times and can't diagnose a problem. He wished he never bothered now.

[nismo48]

8Ace said:

Not even a twitch

Not even the camouflage spec

[CG2020UK]

stuart100 said:

I have read people with hybrid BMWs (for e.g. a 530e) that regretted it. They felt their weight and the battery didn't hold its charge well. So the ICE wound up carting around the heavy mass of the non-functioning hybrid system.

Most modern PHEVs will always hold full power in the battery so you always have power if you need it so in that regard you aren’t carting anything about. Especially when you have already saved on your cost per mile that ICE can’t get close to.

Typically PHEVs are also lighter than the manufacturers comparable full EV option eg: 330e PHEV 1895kg vs I4 EV 2125kg. XC90 PHEV 2297kg vs EX90 EV 2779kg.

Pointless in an M5 or performance car but for a daily driver they are perfect. Especially the very latest eg: new 330e with 50mile battery.

[WCZ]

Aids0G said:

How often in the last 10 years has a new performance car at this level been launched that is slower and has a poorer power to weight ratio than its predecessor?

Say the hybrid system accounts for 200kg of the weight gain, where does the other 300kg come from? its not like the F90 was a featherweight in the first place.

the ferrari cilindrata is probably the only instance I can think of, we'll see what the actual weight and performance stats are though

[Terminator X]

Harry_523 said:

Just had a look and interestingly this weighs almost exactly the same as the Panamera Turbo E-hybrid thing.

This https://media.polestar.com/global/en/models/polest... honestly looks like a bigger problem for the M5 than the Taycan is...

Will it be restricted to 112mph though like the Volvo's?

TX.

[Harry_523]

Terminator X said:

Harry_523 said:

Just had a look and interestingly this weighs almost exactly the same as the Panamera Turbo E-hybrid thing.

This https://media.polestar.com/global/en/models/polest... honestly looks like a bigger problem for the M5 than the Taycan is...

Will it be restricted to 112mph though like the Volvo's?

TX.

No because its unrelated to any Volvo

[Terminator X]

Harry_523 said:

Terminator X said:

Harry_523 said:

Just had a look and interestingly this weighs almost exactly the same as the Panamera Turbo E-hybrid thing.

This https://media.polestar.com/global/en/models/polest... honestly looks like a bigger problem for the M5 than the Taycan is...

Will it be restricted to 112mph though like the Volvo's?

TX.

No because its unrelated to any Volvo

Unrelated

TX.