An epidemic of insanely slow drivers
Discussion
The Selfish Gene said:
I just drove through a 30mph zone in Brentwood - everyone doing 20mph - so I overtook (que flashing lights)
Then next 40mph, everyone doing 30mph - so I overtook
People on phones, on vapes and generally being s
t at everything
ho hum - I had fun
Which road in Brentwood...?Then next 40mph, everyone doing 30mph - so I overtook
People on phones, on vapes and generally being s
t at everythingho hum - I had fun
Just curious as I find the opposite; drive at 30 around there and a large 4x4 seems to appear by magic and glue itself to my bumper!
Joining the M20 on a single lane slip road to find 4 of us behind a driver in a Juke doing 35mph as she joined the motorway. I had visions of us all being squished by HGVs as we weren't matching their speed. Once on the motorway the Juke indicated and went from Lane 1 to Lane 4 in the space of a hundred metres with some very annoyed drivers in L4 braking down to 50mph with no traffic in L2 and 3.
In this country we drive to the lowest common denominator.
In this country we drive to the lowest common denominator.
KTMsm said:
Foss62 said:
Do you also ignore red lights in the middle of the night when you are at a clear junction?
I doAnd at road works if I can see there's no one on the other side of them
It's called common sense - I wish more would try it
Julian Scott said:
KTMsm said:
Foss62 said:
Do you also ignore red lights in the middle of the night when you are at a clear junction?
I doAnd at road works if I can see there's no one on the other side of them
It's called common sense - I wish more would try it
8IKERDAVE said:
Julian Scott said:
KTMsm said:
Foss62 said:
Do you also ignore red lights in the middle of the night when you are at a clear junction?
I doAnd at road works if I can see there's no one on the other side of them
It's called common sense - I wish more would try it
It was striking / amusing / quite depressing to see many of the (presumably very intelligent, if they are studying at Cambridge) students stand for minutes at the sides of completely empty roads, waiting for the green man to come up, instead of just quickly and independently assessing the zero risk present and acting accordingly.
8IKERDAVE said:
Julian Scott said:
KTMsm said:
Foss62 said:
Do you also ignore red lights in the middle of the night when you are at a clear junction?
I doAnd at road works if I can see there's no one on the other side of them
It's called common sense - I wish more would try it
That would be a bit ridiculous.
RSTurboPaul said:
I have visited Cambridge quite a lot, which appears to have a high population of students from 'the far east', where one might consider 'the greater good' to form a larger/stronger element of the societal base [because communism].
It was striking / amusing / quite depressing to see many of the (presumably very intelligent, if they are studying at Cambridge) students stand for minutes at the sides of completely empty roads, waiting for the green man to come up, instead of just quickly and independently assessing the zero risk present and acting accordingly.
I’ve seen this a lot lately and it’s of all nationalities. It’s very weirdIt was striking / amusing / quite depressing to see many of the (presumably very intelligent, if they are studying at Cambridge) students stand for minutes at the sides of completely empty roads, waiting for the green man to come up, instead of just quickly and independently assessing the zero risk present and acting accordingly.
Master Bean said:
FiF said:
808 Estate said:
Recently I have seen people slowing doown in L1 on a motorway prior to taking the off slip. This results in traffic in L1 concertinaing down to 50 mph.
Yep, that was one of the things my eldest brother, long time on traffic, drilled into me, maintain pace, be established in lane 1 in good time, signal left for slip road absolutely no later than the 300 yd sign, maintain pace, enter slip road, then and only then start to knock speed off. (Caveat, assumes no queuing traffic on exit slip to compromise that plan.)Edited by standards on Wednesday 19th June 20:05
RSTurboPaul said:
I have visited Cambridge quite a lot, which appears to have a high population of students from 'the far east', where one might consider 'the greater good' to form a larger/stronger element of the societal base [because communism].
It was striking / amusing / quite depressing to see many of the (presumably very intelligent, if they are studying at Cambridge) students stand for minutes at the sides of completely empty roads, waiting for the green man to come up, instead of just quickly and independently assessing the zero risk present and acting accordingly.
I think it is a cultural thing depending on where you grew up. It was striking / amusing / quite depressing to see many of the (presumably very intelligent, if they are studying at Cambridge) students stand for minutes at the sides of completely empty roads, waiting for the green man to come up, instead of just quickly and independently assessing the zero risk present and acting accordingly.
I got a job in 1998 in Victoria Street, SW1 and had a work colleague from Frankfurt who would only cross when the green light was on while us Brits just found a gap and went for it!
She said doing that in Germany you'd get prosecuted for jay-walking.
Mr Tidy said:
I think it is a cultural thing depending on where you grew up.
I got a job in 1998 in Victoria Street, SW1 and had a work colleague from Frankfurt who would only cross when the green light was on while us Brits just found a gap and went for it!
She said doing that in Germany you'd get prosecuted for jay-walking.
When we lived in Germany, an old lady called me an aI got a job in 1998 in Victoria Street, SW1 and had a work colleague from Frankfurt who would only cross when the green light was on while us Brits just found a gap and went for it!
She said doing that in Germany you'd get prosecuted for jay-walking.
hole for crossing on a red man on a totally deserted fairly residential street in a well-to-do part of town. I didn't do it in front of kids as my colleagues pointed out - quite rightly - that it set a bad example and they may try to do the same without being able to judge the trafficvikingaero said:
Joining the M20 on a single lane slip road to find 4 of us behind a driver in a Juke doing 35mph as she joined the motorway. I had visions of us all being squished by HGVs as we weren't matching their speed. Once on the motorway the Juke indicated and went from Lane 1 to Lane 4 in the space of a hundred metres with some very annoyed drivers in L4 braking down to 50mph with no traffic in L2 and 3.
In this country we drive to the lowest common denominator.
The lowest common denominator of the speed limits is 1mph.In this country we drive to the lowest common denominator.
Mr Tidy said:
I think it is a cultural thing depending on where you grew up.
I got a job in 1998 in Victoria Street, SW1 and had a work colleague from Frankfurt who would only cross when the green light was on while us Brits just found a gap and went for it!
She said doing that in Germany you'd get prosecuted for jay-walking.
Even in Scotland I despair.I got a job in 1998 in Victoria Street, SW1 and had a work colleague from Frankfurt who would only cross when the green light was on while us Brits just found a gap and went for it!
She said doing that in Germany you'd get prosecuted for jay-walking.
Example 1
2:00am, walking home from a works do I see a lady standing at the kerb by the traffic lights. She's been there a while as I walk towards her so I think she may be lost or need assistance. No, lights change and she walks across, I hadn't seen a car for over 30 minutes.
Example 2
I'm on the top deck of the bus approaching the crossing for the retail park, 3 people are standing at the lights, as we get closer I see that they are workmen in paint stained overalls. When the bus finally gets to the lights, they turn red and they cross. They could have crossed the empty road 4 or 5 times in the intervening period without the aid of the crossing.
I now see this every single time I pass through the local high street.
I get that some people may need a guaranteed extended time to cross, but so many?
5s Alive said:
When the bus finally gets to the lights, they turn red and they cross. They could have crossed the empty road 4 or 5 times in the intervening period without the aid of the crossing.
I now see this every single time I pass through the local high street.
I get that some people may need a guaranteed extended time to cross, but so many?
This. At our local crossings an OAP with a stick can limp across at 1mph and get 30 yards away before the lights go green. Facilitating traffic flow is not a priority.I now see this every single time I pass through the local high street.
I get that some people may need a guaranteed extended time to cross, but so many?
irc said:
ChocolateFrog said:
If it's clearly just 2 way temp lights and I can clearly see there's nothing at the other side then I don't wait.
That would be a bit ridiculous.
Correct. Why is breaking the speed limit more or less accepted but treating red lights as give ways at 4am isn't?That would be a bit ridiculous.
Because "they" know better
I had a discussion with a slow driver, I agree to slow to 20 around schools at start and end times (or if I can see loads of kids) but not at other times
He said you should drive past at 20 all the time - in case there is a child - the next day, on our bikes with comms, I saw a child on the pavement
I shouted that he was a manic and should have slowed to 20 as there was a child
He couldn't understand what I was on about - It seems you only have to slow down for children that are around schools
KTMsm said:
Because we're expected to blindly follow rules without question
Because "they" know better
I had a discussion with a slow driver, I agree to slow to 20 around schools at start and end times (or if I can see loads of kids) but not at other times
He said you should drive past at 20 all the time - in case there is a child - the next day, on our bikes with comms, I saw a child on the pavement
I shouted that he was a manic and should have slowed to 20 as there was a child
He couldn't understand what I was on about - It seems you only have to slow down for children that are around schools
the argument as I understand it is that for some reason children still hang around school grounds even out of school hours - hence the full time 20mph requirement.Because "they" know better
I had a discussion with a slow driver, I agree to slow to 20 around schools at start and end times (or if I can see loads of kids) but not at other times
He said you should drive past at 20 all the time - in case there is a child - the next day, on our bikes with comms, I saw a child on the pavement
I shouted that he was a manic and should have slowed to 20 as there was a child
He couldn't understand what I was on about - It seems you only have to slow down for children that are around schools
LennyM1984 said:
When we lived in Germany, an old lady called me an ahole for crossing on a red man on a totally deserted fairly residential street in a well-to-do part of town. I didn't do it in front of kids as my colleagues pointed out - quite rightly - that it set a bad example and they may try to do the same without being able to judge the traffic
There is an attained age when you consider your children to be able to understand and judge traffic speeds. It is probably late primary school. By the time they are in their early teens, they become a bit reckless/show-offy anyway, and it is too late. Best to teach them some judgement earlier.hole for crossing on a red man on a totally deserted fairly residential street in a well-to-do part of town. I didn't do it in front of kids as my colleagues pointed out - quite rightly - that it set a bad example and they may try to do the same without being able to judge the trafficI see more people in London standing helplessly at request crossings without having pressed the button. It's fascinating to observe how long they wait, and wait.
There also seems to be more people who continue to wait when the green man shows because they haven't registered it. Bewildering.
There also seems to be more people who continue to wait when the green man shows because they haven't registered it. Bewildering.
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