Supercars spotted, some rarities (vol 7)
Discussion
Shnozz said:
Langweilig said:
Still think these look great. However, hired one for summer in Toronto and it was dreadful. Had thought about replacing my Saleen for one of these, but after hiring one (V8) in Florida for a couple weeks the Saleen still remains with me
wolfracesonic said:
theicemario said:
That balcony brings up memories for me, can’t say anymore;)Matt_T said:
Am I correct that all the GT40s you see out and about are likley kits, as a real one would be in a collection and worth over $1m?
I was at Goodwood MM in April and was chatting to a guy who was running a genuine 1960s GT40. I asked him this an he said that a few of the cars there were in fact recreations, and that the classic racing was slightly spoiled by the fact that the recreations were faster.
Number 59 in the background I’m told was legit when at Donington Historic last month whilst the blue and orange GT69 looks so nice! I was at Goodwood MM in April and was chatting to a guy who was running a genuine 1960s GT40. I asked him this an he said that a few of the cars there were in fact recreations, and that the classic racing was slightly spoiled by the fact that the recreations were faster.
Edited by Moley RUFC on Monday 10th June 08:18
Moley RUFC said:
Number 59 in the background I’m told was legit when at Donington Historic last month whilst the blue and orange GT69 looks so nice!
It's a Southern GT replica, I'm afraid. It's in the Essex Wire livery of the original chassis GT40/P/1038, but that car hasn't been seen publicly for decades. Adrian Newey owns the sister car to it in the same colours.DickyC said:
Of the 105 original GT40s built, only 250 survive today.
In David Hodges' book, he talks about someone taking the chassis and much of the body from a crashed GT40 that had been rebuilt with a new chassis and body and repairing and rebuilding it. As parts were replaced on the race car, he bought those and refurbished them. Two cars, same chassis number. Which was the genuine car? The one with mostly parts from the original car or the Trigger's Broom car with the unbroken racing record?DickyC said:
In David Hodges' book, he talks about someone taking the chassis and much of the body from a crashed GT40 that had been rebuilt with a new chassis and body and repairing and rebuilding it. As parts were replaced on the race car, he bought those and refurbished them. Two cars, same chassis number. Which was the genuine car? The one with mostly parts from the original car or the Trigger's Broom car with the unbroken racing record?
It's the classical philosophical paradox of the Ship of Theseus, or Grandad's Axe.If grandad has an axe he uses to chop wood every day, and one day he decides to replace the worn blade with another, it is still grandad's axe. He continues to use it and later decides to replace the worn handle. He continues to use it and it is still the same axe. However, if his grandson took the original blade and then the original handle out of the bin and put them together to play with, would that also be grandad's axe or not?
When it went that way with Bentley Old Number One, the courts decided the continuous history was more important than the origins of the physical parts, so even though another car had more original parts in it than the other, the one with the continuous history was allowed to hold that identity.
thegreenhell said:
DickyC said:
In David Hodges' book, he talks about someone taking the chassis and much of the body from a crashed GT40 that had been rebuilt with a new chassis and body and repairing and rebuilding it. As parts were replaced on the race car, he bought those and refurbished them. Two cars, same chassis number. Which was the genuine car? The one with mostly parts from the original car or the Trigger's Broom car with the unbroken racing record?
It's the classical philosophical paradox of the Ship of Theseus, or Grandad's Axe.If grandad has an axe he uses to chop wood every day, and one day he decides to replace the worn blade with another, it is still grandad's axe. He continues to use it and later decides to replace the worn handle. He continues to use it and it is still the same axe. However, if his grandson took the original blade and then the original handle out of the bin and put them together to play with, would that also be grandad's axe or not?
When it went that way with Bentley Old Number One, the courts decided the continuous history was more important than the origins of the physical parts, so even though another car had more original parts in it than the other, the one with the continuous history was allowed to hold that identity.
DickyC said:
DickyC said:
Of the 105 original GT40s built, only 250 survive today.
In David Hodges' book, he talks about someone taking the chassis and much of the body from a crashed GT40 that had been rebuilt with a new chassis and body and repairing and rebuilding it. As parts were replaced on the race car, he bought those and refurbished them. Two cars, same chassis number. Which was the genuine car? The one with mostly parts from the original car or the Trigger's Broom car with the unbroken racing record?There are countless stories like this: remember the Bugatti rescued from the lake after being there for 70+ years? Well, a collector had that very same car- chassis number and everything- sitting in their collection. Oops...
williamp said:
This went to court in the late 80s with a very famous Bentley. The judge ruled that the car with continuous history is the "real" car, even thiough the other car (now replica) had more parts on it which was made by Bentley and fitted at Cricklewood.
There are countless stories like this: remember the Bugatti rescued from the lake after being there for 70+ years? Well, a collector had that very same car- chassis number and everything- sitting in their collection. Oops...
Isn't there a Le Mans raced D-Type that there has been a lot of contention about its provenance over the years? There are countless stories like this: remember the Bugatti rescued from the lake after being there for 70+ years? Well, a collector had that very same car- chassis number and everything- sitting in their collection. Oops...
The Hypno-Toad said:
williamp said:
This went to court in the late 80s with a very famous Bentley. The judge ruled that the car with continuous history is the "real" car, even thiough the other car (now replica) had more parts on it which was made by Bentley and fitted at Cricklewood.
There are countless stories like this: remember the Bugatti rescued from the lake after being there for 70+ years? Well, a collector had that very same car- chassis number and everything- sitting in their collection. Oops...
Isn't there a Le Mans raced D-Type that there has been a lot of contention about its provenance over the years? There are countless stories like this: remember the Bugatti rescued from the lake after being there for 70+ years? Well, a collector had that very same car- chassis number and everything- sitting in their collection. Oops...
But a car with this chassis number is around. FIA papers, the lot.
autofocus said:
LARK F1 GTR said:
Hi Tim,
Do you happen to have any other pictures of the cars at the event?
I saw them unloading a McLaren P1 HDK the night before and there was a Ford GT on their truck ready to come out. This morning the P1 HDK and an Enzo were in the truck and I walked past a small enclosed trailer with a purple McLaren P1 on it.
Thanks
Hi there,Do you happen to have any other pictures of the cars at the event?
I saw them unloading a McLaren P1 HDK the night before and there was a Ford GT on their truck ready to come out. This morning the P1 HDK and an Enzo were in the truck and I walked past a small enclosed trailer with a purple McLaren P1 on it.
Thanks
Indeed I do, I have just started work on them but have around 1000 pics to process.
I will share links to the galleries when done but give me a week or two as busy with the day job.
First gallery which is a work in progress is here but please keep refreshing the link each day as I will add more pics.
https://www.dunlopix.co.uk/London-Concours-2024-Pa...
Regards
Tim
Thank you, you're a star!!
williamp said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
Isn't there a Le Mans raced D-Type that there has been a lot of contention about its provenance over the years?
Lowdrag is the man who knows the whole fin (geddit??). From memory, one D type was crashed and then destroyed at the factory- so it no longer exists in any form...But a car with this chassis number is around. FIA papers, the lot.
There was also XKD606, which at one time was broken up and made into two separate cars with the same chassis number. Its current owner bought both of them and recombined them back into one 'original' car with all the original bits.
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