An epidemic of insanely slow drivers
Discussion
Julian Scott said:
Hoofy said:
Julian Scott said:
Julian Scott said:
They are IRL. I'll try to remember to photograph when I drive down tomorrow.
I know there was a google street image, but here was the NSL this morning:I'm not sure what that foul-mouthed bear has to do with anything, though.
KTMsm said:
Julian Scott said:
In fairness - some of that is your fault - the first pic shows a perfect overtaking opportunityBut that particular photo was purely to show the NSL signs, as asked for.
Julian Scott said:
If you knew the road, with two cars to pass, uncertain as to how they may/may not speed up, it isn't.
Sorry but this just demonstrates that whilst you think the two cars ahead of you are poor drivers, some may think the same of youI'd highly doubt a Panda is significantly speeding up - if it does, abort the overtake but I'd be past in second gear before their brain has processed the NSL sign
Hoofy said:
Julian Scott said:
Julian Scott said:
They are IRL. I'll try to remember to photograph when I drive down tomorrow.
I know there was a google street image, but here was the NSL this morning:KTMsm said:
Julian Scott said:
In fairness - some of that is your fault - the first pic shows a perfect overtaking opportunityIn fairness, not "a perfect overtaking opportunity", not even close IMHO.
FiF said:
KTMsm said:
Julian Scott said:
In fairness - some of that is your fault - the first pic shows a perfect overtaking opportunityIn fairness, not "a perfect overtaking opportunity", not even close IMHO.
If you are allowing for somebody coming towards you being just out of sight when you commit.
bigothunter said:
808 Estate said:
One on the M42 yesterday doing around 50. Caused a tew trucks to make some rapid lane changes, or brake heavily.
How embarrassing and dangerous The trucks would have around a 6mph closing speed, so not much excuse for them not coping with the situation.
theplayingmantis said:
Hoofy said:
Julian Scott said:
Julian Scott said:
They are IRL. I'll try to remember to photograph when I drive down tomorrow.
I know there was a google street image, but here was the NSL this morning:Also, I guess doing the same in my TT won't have the same effect.
Maybe I'll come to a stop, then repeatedly flash my interior light. I understand that this is a standard dogging protocol so they might fear that I'm going to fk them from behind dry.
vonhosen said:
In less than half the distance you can see to be clear!
If you are allowing for somebody coming towards you being just out of sight when you commit.
Rubbish - I overtake in areas like that multiple times a day - zero accidentsIf you are allowing for somebody coming towards you being just out of sight when you commit.
If something appears you can either go between the two cars or back behind the first - but by the time that picture was taken I'd have already overtaken !
Hence as you an see - it was perfectly safe !
KTMsm said:
vonhosen said:
In less than half the distance you can see to be clear!
If you are allowing for somebody coming towards you being just out of sight when you commit.
Rubbish - I overtake in areas like that multiple times a day - zero accidentsIf you are allowing for somebody coming towards you being just out of sight when you commit.
If something appears you can either go between the two cars or back behind the first - but by the time that picture was taken I'd have already overtaken !
Hence as you an see - it was perfectly safe !
If it's two separate overtakes that's different, you only have to be able to pass one of them in less than half the distance you can see to be clear.
Julian Scott said:
Julian Scott said:
They are IRL. I'll try to remember to photograph when I drive down tomorrow.
I know there was a google street image, but here was the NSL this morning:And in prophetic convenience, stuck behind the cars at just over half the speed limit:
And again 90 mins later on the way back:
But the other pictures - it's a Fiat Panda I believe! What do you expect!
KTMsm said:
vonhosen said:
In less than half the distance you can see to be clear!
If you are allowing for somebody coming towards you being just out of sight when you commit.
Rubbish - I overtake in areas like that multiple times a day - zero accidentsIf you are allowing for somebody coming towards you being just out of sight when you commit.
If something appears you can either go between the two cars or back behind the first - but by the time that picture was taken I'd have already overtaken !
Hence as you an see - it was perfectly safe !
KTMsm said:
I'd be out and accelerating the instant I was in the NSL
KTMsm said:
but by the time that picture was taken I'd have already overtaken !
But seems you didKTMsm said:
Actually I'd have done it before that
Oh dear. Plus looking at position of the two vehicles ahead in relation to the dotted line markings there really isn't adequate space to return to the left if required. You're assuming that the Panda doesn't pull out or closes the already small gap.It would be interesting to see a Google map of this stretch to measure out these alleged hundreds of meters.
Still you do you.
vonhosen said:
I'm talking about if there is not sufficient suitable gap to go between the two cars in front & you intend to pass both in one go, then you have to be able to complete the pass of both in less than half the distance you can see to be clear (that allows for a potential vehicle coming towards travelling at your speed).
If it's two separate overtakes that's different, you only have to be able to pass one of them in less than half the distance you can see to be clear.
Yes, but you shouldn't squeeze in between the two cars ahead of you unless there's a 4-second gap between them.If it's two separate overtakes that's different, you only have to be able to pass one of them in less than half the distance you can see to be clear.
M4cruiser said:
vonhosen said:
I'm talking about if there is not sufficient suitable gap to go between the two cars in front & you intend to pass both in one go, then you have to be able to complete the pass of both in less than half the distance you can see to be clear (that allows for a potential vehicle coming towards travelling at your speed).
If it's two separate overtakes that's different, you only have to be able to pass one of them in less than half the distance you can see to be clear.
Yes, but you shouldn't squeeze in between the two cars ahead of you unless there's a 4-second gap between them.If it's two separate overtakes that's different, you only have to be able to pass one of them in less than half the distance you can see to be clear.
M4cruiser said:
Julian Scott said:
Julian Scott said:
They are IRL. I'll try to remember to photograph when I drive down tomorrow.
I know there was a google street image, but here was the NSL this morning:And in prophetic convenience, stuck behind the cars at just over half the speed limit:
And again 90 mins later on the way back:
But the other pictures - it's a Fiat Panda I believe! What do you expect!
You can't see past the wing mirror. Yet can see the lane in the immediacy and near distance is clear so surely you would position your self briefly to see past the wing mirror....
FiF said:
KTMsm said:
vonhosen said:
In less than half the distance you can see to be clear!
If you are allowing for somebody coming towards you being just out of sight when you commit.
Rubbish - I overtake in areas like that multiple times a day - zero accidentsIf you are allowing for somebody coming towards you being just out of sight when you commit.
If something appears you can either go between the two cars or back behind the first - but by the time that picture was taken I'd have already overtaken !
Hence as you an see - it was perfectly safe !
KTMsm said:
I'd be out and accelerating the instant I was in the NSL
KTMsm said:
but by the time that picture was taken I'd have already overtaken !
But seems you didKTMsm said:
Actually I'd have done it before that
Oh dear. Plus looking at position of the two vehicles ahead in relation to the dotted line markings there really isn't adequate space to return to the left if required. You're assuming that the Panda doesn't pull out or closes the already small gap.It would be interesting to see a Google map of this stretch to measure out these alleged hundreds of meters.
Still you do you.
I'd have closed the gap and be in a position to overtake as soon as it's safe to do so
However for the sheep who need to follow signs - you could also safely overtake - as shown by the pic, if you'd closed the gap, dropped to second, waited for the NSL sign, you'd be past them circa where the pic still shows it to be clear
Om said:
I am not sure about accelerating hard (whatever that means) at a NSL being 'old-fashioned'. As always, drive to the conditions and be prepared to stop within the distance you can see to be clear should cover it.
Eco driving.Example, from the web:
https://www.traveldevon.info/drive/eco-driving/
"Eco-driving is a driving style aimed at maximizing fuel efficiency and minimizing environmental impact. Here are some tips for eco-driving in the UK:
Smooth Driving: Avoid sudden acceleration and heavy braking. Smooth acceleration and braking can significantly reduce fuel consumption.
Maintain a Steady Speed: Try to maintain a steady speed whenever possible, especially on motorways and highways. Use cruise control if your vehicle is equipped with it.
Anticipate Traffic: Look ahead and anticipate traffic flow. This allows you to adjust your speed gradually rather than making sudden stops or accelerations."
With that in mind, I say again, what's the point in going past in that situation with the Panda etc? The writer already knows that section of road isn't long. You may save a minute.
Old fashioned means we didn't used to have any of this eco stuff. But we do now.
Foss62 said:
Hopefully not too dangerous as you would need to do that speed on a space saver spare, or if the car went into ‘limp home’ mode…
The trucks would have around a 6mph closing speed, so not much excuse for them not coping with the situation.
Do space saver tyres disintegrate at 56 mph? Slowing down trucks unnecessarily is ill advised. Integrate not impede.The trucks would have around a 6mph closing speed, so not much excuse for them not coping with the situation.
M4cruiser said:
Eco driving.
Example, from the web:
https://www.traveldevon.info/drive/eco-driving/
"Eco-driving is a driving style aimed at maximizing fuel efficiency and minimizing environmental impact. Here are some tips for eco-driving in the UK:
Smooth Driving: Avoid sudden acceleration and heavy braking. Smooth acceleration and braking can significantly reduce fuel consumption.
Maintain a Steady Speed: Try to maintain a steady speed whenever possible, especially on motorways and highways. Use cruise control if your vehicle is equipped with it.
Anticipate Traffic: Look ahead and anticipate traffic flow. This allows you to adjust your speed gradually rather than making sudden stops or accelerations."
With that in mind, I say again, what's the point in going past in that situation with the Panda etc? The writer already knows that section of road isn't long. You may save a minute.
Old fashioned means we didn't used to have any of this eco stuff. But we do now.
Nah - we have had eco-driving for at least the past 50 years. Get with the times Grandad!Example, from the web:
https://www.traveldevon.info/drive/eco-driving/
"Eco-driving is a driving style aimed at maximizing fuel efficiency and minimizing environmental impact. Here are some tips for eco-driving in the UK:
Smooth Driving: Avoid sudden acceleration and heavy braking. Smooth acceleration and braking can significantly reduce fuel consumption.
Maintain a Steady Speed: Try to maintain a steady speed whenever possible, especially on motorways and highways. Use cruise control if your vehicle is equipped with it.
Anticipate Traffic: Look ahead and anticipate traffic flow. This allows you to adjust your speed gradually rather than making sudden stops or accelerations."
With that in mind, I say again, what's the point in going past in that situation with the Panda etc? The writer already knows that section of road isn't long. You may save a minute.
Old fashioned means we didn't used to have any of this eco stuff. But we do now.
KTMsm said:
- exactly what don't you understand ?
Understand perfectly what you're saying.It's a matter of judgement.
You're maintaining it's a perfectly safe overtaking opportunity.
My opinion is that there is potential for things to go rapidly pear shaped and therefore not perfectly safe
Comments made by others suggest my thoughts are not alone.
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