The Joy of Running an Old Shed (Vol 2)
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ThingsBehindTheSun said:
Not sure I want to put her in a 107/C1 if I am perfectly honest.
Absolutely nothing wrong with these and its certainly what my 17 year old stepson will be having when he is 17!Reasons:
- Bulletproof 1 litre engine, which will take the miles and abuse.
- cheap to self service - under £50 for sure! and cheap things like tyres etc
- Cheap insurance
- amazing MPG
Later 2013/14 107's got DAB, some had aircon etc, so not badly specced, and £3k will certainly get you into a later one!
They make absolutely ideal starter cars!
CHLEMCBC said:
I realise that may be a dumb question. I've been out of the shed game for a few years and have only ever owned one diesel vehicle.
Sorry, I hadn't noticed the embedded link in your original post 
as the colour of the text is barely distinguishable from the normal text. I thought you'd forgotten to upload a pic.r3g said:
CHLEMCBC said:
I realise that may be a dumb question. I've been out of the shed game for a few years and have only ever owned one diesel vehicle.
Sorry, I hadn't noticed the embedded link in your original post as the colour of the text is barely distinguishable from the normal text. I thought you'd forgotten to upload a pic.
107/C1/Aygo brilliant cars. Had loads of them over the years and still have a 107 as a pool car at the garage. The mk1s are getting on now so you need to check the sills (particularly around the rear arches) for rot as most are on their way there. Watch out for badly repaired crash damage and respray- a lot of them are CAT.
Don't be tempted by the 1.2 PureTech in the mk2 C1s as it's a s
t engine, burns oil for fun and cam chain can cause issues. Stick to the bulletproof 1.0 . Aircon is nice in them, but you really notice it when it's on - it's like driving with the handbrake on a couple of notches .
Standard steel exhausts and brake lines only last 2-3 years before needing replacing again. Both are known weak points on them but cheap enough to sort. The boots leak in all of them. It'll be the foam seal around the top rear brake light that's deteriorated or (less likely) the seals around the main light clusters. Both easily sorted by even the most hamfisted DIYer.
Don't be tempted by the 1.2 PureTech in the mk2 C1s as it's a s
t engine, burns oil for fun and cam chain can cause issues. Stick to the bulletproof 1.0 . Aircon is nice in them, but you really notice it when it's on - it's like driving with the handbrake on a couple of notches .Standard steel exhausts and brake lines only last 2-3 years before needing replacing again. Both are known weak points on them but cheap enough to sort. The boots leak in all of them. It'll be the foam seal around the top rear brake light that's deteriorated or (less likely) the seals around the main light clusters. Both easily sorted by even the most hamfisted DIYer.
Would a Suzuki Swift or Alto make a good learner / first shed?
They seem to be pretty cheap, supposedly quite tough and low engine size / insurance group.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202405310...
In budget, road tax £0, insurance group 4E, ULEZ compliant etc etc etc
They seem to be pretty cheap, supposedly quite tough and low engine size / insurance group.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202405310...
In budget, road tax £0, insurance group 4E, ULEZ compliant etc etc etc
Edited by -Lummox- on Monday 24th June 12:55
BenS94 said:
r3g said:
Don't be tempted by the 1.2 PureTech in the mk2 C1s as it's a st engine, burns oil for fun and cam chain can cause issues. Stick to the bulletproof 1.0 .
The 1.2 PT is a stupid wetbelt running in oil, not timing chain. It's the 1.0 that is chain. t engine, burns oil for fun and cam chain can cause issues. Stick to the bulletproof 1.0 .tty 1.2 petrol engines about these days.ThingsBehindTheSun said:
Hmmmm, I have only been concentrating on small cars, I will do an insurance quote and see how much it is.
I must admit I am not a fan of small cars, especially as other drivers seem to try and bully you on the road. It's OK for me as I have been driving for over 30 years and have the shed "drive into me if you like, I don't give a fk" mentality but I am not sure I want my daughter to face the same treatment.
Good call.
Edited to say cheapest quote on a 2009 Astra 1.4 is £3258.11
Small car it is.
Not surprised on the insurance quotes. Insurers really don't want new / young drivers in anything remotely hefty these days even if it's slow, presumably to limit the damage they can do to other vehicles when colliding with them! I must admit I am not a fan of small cars, especially as other drivers seem to try and bully you on the road. It's OK for me as I have been driving for over 30 years and have the shed "drive into me if you like, I don't give a f
k" mentality but I am not sure I want my daughter to face the same treatment.Good call.
Edited to say cheapest quote on a 2009 Astra 1.4 is £3258.11
Small car it is.
Edited by ThingsBehindTheSun on Monday 24th June 11:17
James_N said:
ThingsBehindTheSun said:
Not sure I want to put her in a 107/C1 if I am perfectly honest.
Absolutely nothing wrong with these and its certainly what my 17 year old stepson will be having when he is 17!Reasons:
- Bulletproof 1 litre engine, which will take the miles and abuse.
- cheap to self service - under £50 for sure! and cheap things like tyres etc
- Cheap insurance
- amazing MPG
Later 2013/14 107's got DAB, some had aircon etc, so not badly specced, and £3k will certainly get you into a later one!
They make absolutely ideal starter cars!
Of course I'm sure a 2017 or later model if fine, but then you're spending a lot on a first car which is likely to get scraped at the very least.
A500leroy said:
ThingsBehindTheSun said:
BenS94 said:
The 1.2 PT is a stupid wetbelt running in oil, not timing chain. It's the 1.0 that is chain.
Anything with the puretech engine is already ruled out, as well as the Ford Ecoboost and Renault 0.9 TCE12 years ago I bought a TVR Chimaera.
My grandson Harry was 4 at the time and asked me if he could have my Fwawwi when he was old enough to drive.
He'll be 17 next year.
Thankfully nobody would be mad enough even to quote on insuring him to drive it..... hopefully.
He would write it off the same day he passed his test, guaranteed.
It is possible - a good friend of mine's daughter wrote her Fiat Punto off the day she passed her test.
If I remember correctly she also wrote off the next car she bought, and then siezed the engine on the M6 on the Boxster she had after that.
Apparently the lovely light shining on the dashboard isn't just there to look pretty at night.
My grandson Harry was 4 at the time and asked me if he could have my Fwawwi when he was old enough to drive.
He'll be 17 next year.
Thankfully nobody would be mad enough even to quote on insuring him to drive it..... hopefully.
He would write it off the same day he passed his test, guaranteed.
It is possible - a good friend of mine's daughter wrote her Fiat Punto off the day she passed her test.
If I remember correctly she also wrote off the next car she bought, and then siezed the engine on the M6 on the Boxster she had after that.
Apparently the lovely light shining on the dashboard isn't just there to look pretty at night.
ThingsBehindTheSun said:
A500leroy said:
ThingsBehindTheSun said:
BenS94 said:
The 1.2 PT is a stupid wetbelt running in oil, not timing chain. It's the 1.0 that is chain.
Anything with the puretech engine is already ruled out, as well as the Ford Ecoboost and Renault 0.9 TCEI've tried to like it as I know that there is a lot of love on here for it but I can't, it's awful, every time that I've driven my daughters as soon as I turn the key I want to get out. It's tractor like tick over and about as smooth as my chin after a week without a razor. Hers has only done 26,000 miles, granted parts for it cost threppance and I suppose that it's better than walking (debatable) but at 17 I'd rather have something else.
ThingsBehindTheSun said:
Yes, but I don't trust small turbocharged three cylinder engines. Seen several examples with under 100K on the clock for sale with "noisy engine"
My two three cylinder diesels. One is 18 years old, 55000 miles, was given it for free a year ago and it's a bit of a tractor to drive. The other is 73 years old, god knows how many miles it's done, cost me a grand a few years ago and it's also a bit of a tractor.
Both could be described as having a "noisy engine" but that's just the nature of the beast. Love them both and expect many years of shedding to come with both of them.
targarama said:
Looking at early models of the Aygo/107/C1, they are built to a really low budget (obviously). But 90% of sub £5k ones I put into the MOT checker are rusty as heck underneath. There is a car dealer Youtuber who had a 2011/2012 one in p/ex and it needed so much work. Now compare to a Mk1 Yaris or Fiat Punto and no rust on the MOTs! Buy cheap buy twice etc.
Of course I'm sure a 2017 or later model if fine, but then you're spending a lot on a first car which is likely to get scraped at the very least.
I think 90% may be exaggerating slightly or you just got incredibly unlucky with your reg choices Of course I'm sure a 2017 or later model if fine, but then you're spending a lot on a first car which is likely to get scraped at the very least.
. We see a lot of them on the ramps, mk1s and mk2s and I'd say it's about 50/50 on the mk1s whether they get advisories or fails for rot, and it's nearly always a "within 30cm of the prescribed area" for corriosion on the rear side sills near the seat belt mountings to start with, and then the rear suspension mounting points and front side sills if the rot is more established. Still plenty of decent ones out there. Our 60 plate with 140k is very clean underneath.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff