RE: 2024 Lotus Emeya | PH Review
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cidered77 said:
And i dont know much about marketing, but surely Lotus as a brand was aimed entirely at nerds, who by definition won't want this.
Yep. That's the market they want to abandon, and which seems to be doing most of the squealing. But it wasn't always so, that's another of the changes which happened when it moved to selling essentially nothing but stripped out little sports cars. I love my Elise, but it was never intended to be the entire definition of Lotus, that's something that happened essentially through mismanagement.otolith said:
cidered77 said:
And has a Lotus badge with no involvement from Hethal.
Yep. Designed in Coventry, dynamics team in Frankfurt (dynamics led by and signed off by Gavan Kershaw), manufactured in Wuhan. Hethel is just supposed to be sports cars.911Spanker said:
Sounds like Kershaw has had an off day with this thing. Or he lost interest/was bored to tears during its development.
Interesting that the PH review of this is less favourable than the reviews of the Eletre on that front. I'd have thought that this should be easier to make behave in the desired way, being lower. Maybe the Eletre exceeded expectations given what it is, and this doesn't?Terminator X said:
Take stated range and times by 0.7 to get realistic range then factor in 80% charging ergo actual range of 151m 
It's ok though as pretty much no one needs more than 10m a day we are told on here.
TX.
Where are you getting 0.7 and 80% from? Really, i am actually asking where those numbers are from, because I they seem very wide of the mark. Especially the 80% charging, what does that refer to?It's ok though as pretty much no one needs more than 10m a day we are told on here.
TX.
What-car did a real-life range test, where they took 12 EVs across a broad spectrum of the market, charged them to full, and drove them as far as they could. The worst was a BYD Atto that managed 83% of its claimed range, the best was an VW ID Buzz that managed 92.5%, with most others being in the high 80s. All were vastly better than the 56% you appear to be implying here.
murphyaj said:
Terminator X said:
Take stated range and times by 0.7 to get realistic range then factor in 80% charging ergo actual range of 151m
It's ok though as pretty much no one needs more than 10m a day we are told on here.
TX.
Where are you getting 0.7 and 80% from? Really, i am actually asking where those numbers are from, because I they seem very wide of the mark. Especially the 80% charging, what does that refer to?It's ok though as pretty much no one needs more than 10m a day we are told on here.
TX.
What-car did a real-life range test, where they took 12 EVs across a broad spectrum of the market, charged them to full, and drove them as far as they could. The worst was a BYD Atto that managed 83% of its claimed range, the best was an VW ID Buzz that managed 92.5%, with most others being in the high 80s. All were vastly better than the 56% you appear to be implying here.
Probably works for the DailMail proof reading team
otolith said:
911Spanker said:
Sounds like Kershaw has had an off day with this thing. Or he lost interest/was bored to tears during its development.
Interesting that the PH review of this is less favourable than the reviews of the Eletre on that front. I'd have thought that this should be easier to make behave in the desired way, being lower. Maybe the Eletre exceeded expectations given what it is, and this doesn't?There's little scope for the Lotus guys to differentiate this from any other EV than they have in the past.
With the likely crap dealer network etc., not sure why anyone would take a punt on this.
murphyaj said:
Terminator X said:
Take stated range and times by 0.7 to get realistic range then factor in 80% charging ergo actual range of 151m
It's ok though as pretty much no one needs more than 10m a day we are told on here.
TX.
Where are you getting 0.7 and 80% from? Really, i am actually asking where those numbers are from, because I they seem very wide of the mark. Especially the 80% charging, what does that refer to?It's ok though as pretty much no one needs more than 10m a day we are told on here.
TX.
What-car did a real-life range test, where they took 12 EVs across a broad spectrum of the market, charged them to full, and drove them as far as they could. The worst was a BYD Atto that managed 83% of its claimed range, the best was an VW ID Buzz that managed 92.5%, with most others being in the high 80s. All were vastly better than the 56% you appear to be implying here.
It’s far easier not to look at available information and to live with prejudices and then make uninformed and inaccurate posts.
911Spanker said:
Maybe Lotus are a bit rubbish at EV dynamics. It's easier to make a SUV half decent I presume?
There's little scope for the Lotus guys to differentiate this from any other EV than they have in the past.
With the likely crap dealer network etc., not sure why anyone would take a punt on this.
Some interesting observations from the rest of the press, who generally seem not quite sure what to make of it;There's little scope for the Lotus guys to differentiate this from any other EV than they have in the past.
With the likely crap dealer network etc., not sure why anyone would take a punt on this.
TopGear said:
If you boil down electric saloons to one reason for buying, then the Porsche Panamera is the one you want because it’s objectively good to drive. The Tesla Model S is the one to have if you prize range and dependable charging infrastructure above all else. And the best all-rounder in the world, with the greatest packaging and depth of engineering, is the Lucid Air.
The Lotus Emeya’s niche is comfort and interior design. That’s not what we expect of a Lotus, but against the like of a Lucid Air, Audi e-tron GT and the Taycan, the Emeya simply isn’t the best drive in its class. Its appeal is more nuanced than that, and actually might be one that wins a lot of people over: a connectivity-obsessed cabin rich in material details with huge tech appeal and rich quality is something that makes anodyne EV motoring a lot more palatable.
The Lotus Emeya’s niche is comfort and interior design. That’s not what we expect of a Lotus, but against the like of a Lucid Air, Audi e-tron GT and the Taycan, the Emeya simply isn’t the best drive in its class. Its appeal is more nuanced than that, and actually might be one that wins a lot of people over: a connectivity-obsessed cabin rich in material details with huge tech appeal and rich quality is something that makes anodyne EV motoring a lot more palatable.
Autocar said:
And what of rivals? There are more than you might expect. Kia's EV6 GT has nothing like the handling appeal of the Emeya S, but it usefully undercuts the Lotus and offers similar straight-line performance and some of the same generously capacious GT-type appeal. There is also the Porsche Taycan – notably in £95,900 4S guise. It's a sweeter driver's car that with the £4300 'Performance Battery Plus' fitted outguns the Lotus on claimed range, but is conspicuously less practical, with poor rear leg room.
You might also cross-shop the Emeya with an Audi RS7, the Mercedes EQS and of course Porsche's Panamera, against which much of the Lotus's general usability was benchmarked. The fact the Emeya has such a diverse array of would-be rivals only shows how neatly it has, as a product, been dropped into a pocket of clear performance EV airspace.
I do wonder whether it was really designed for the UK market at all.You might also cross-shop the Emeya with an Audi RS7, the Mercedes EQS and of course Porsche's Panamera, against which much of the Lotus's general usability was benchmarked. The fact the Emeya has such a diverse array of would-be rivals only shows how neatly it has, as a product, been dropped into a pocket of clear performance EV airspace.
otolith said:
I do wonder whether it was really designed for the UK market at all.
I would go further and say any car 5.2 meters long and 2m wide just is not suitable for the UK market. You can drive a car of that size, even kid yourself it's not that difficult, "man up , it's just parking" and all that macho s
t... but, just because you can live with it with some compromise doesn't mean something of this scale is appropriate for this country. Nomme de Plum said:
Globally sold cars are designed for the Global market.
With China’s 1.4bn, ditto India USAs 350M Eu similar there are a plethora of wealthy potential buyers so why concentrate overly on the U.K.
Well Quite. It may well make a lot more sense to buyers somewhere else. I understand that rear seat room is a big deal in China, for example. With China’s 1.4bn, ditto India USAs 350M Eu similar there are a plethora of wealthy potential buyers so why concentrate overly on the U.K.
Terminator X said:
DonkeyApple said:
Sean 2000 said:
The Lotus we all knew and loved is gone I'm afraid. sad but true!
Yup. 25 years of being a car company that doesn't sell cars and then out of the blue randomly chucking all that hard earned heritage in the bin by switching to be a car company that sells cars is a pretty bitter pill to come to terms with. 
TX.
Nomme de Plum said:
Terminator X said:
How's it working out for modern Lotus
TX.
Geely acquired Lotus in 2017. How long do you think it takes after a takeover for a completely new business plan and development of new models including all regulatory compliances and testing?TX.
t show.TX.
murphyaj said:
Terminator X said:
Take stated range and times by 0.7 to get realistic range then factor in 80% charging ergo actual range of 151m
It's ok though as pretty much no one needs more than 10m a day we are told on here.
TX.
Where are you getting 0.7 and 80% from? Really, i am actually asking where those numbers are from, because I they seem very wide of the mark. Especially the 80% charging, what does that refer to?It's ok though as pretty much no one needs more than 10m a day we are told on here.
TX.
What-car did a real-life range test, where they took 12 EVs across a broad spectrum of the market, charged them to full, and drove them as far as they could. The worst was a BYD Atto that managed 83% of its claimed range, the best was an VW ID Buzz that managed 92.5%, with most others being in the high 80s. All were vastly better than the 56% you appear to be implying here.
Charging Curve for the ID Buzz as an example, note charging rate tailing off above 80%
The WLTP test is conducted at an average speed of 29mph whereas most people do their long journeys on motorways/DCs averaging maybe 60mph. As power draw rises more than linearly with speed, efficiency and thus range on the motorway is lower than WLTP range by a significant factor, although annoyingly it varies by car.
As an example for the ID Buzz you mention, EV Database lists
WLTP Range 251 miles
Highway Cold Weather 150 miles
Highway Mild Weather 190 miles
so the average highway range (at a constant 70mph) is 170 miles, which is 68% of the WLTP fantasy number.
https://ev-database.org/uk/car/1651/Volkswagen-ID-...
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