Speed limiters from July 7 2024 on all new cars

[Evanivitch]

FiF said:

Reading this was a surprise tbh.

https://www.renault.co.uk/safety/research-and-deve...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/07/new-re...

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/transport/article/rena...

In summary, very similar to black box monitoring as offered by some insurance companies. Score out of 100. No idea how it deals with the driver switching ADAS off which will still be permitted aiui, or controls over sharing of data.

Several cars have existed for years that measure your economy/aggressive driving and your attention.

[RSTurboPaul]

Evanivitch said:

FiF said:

Reading this was a surprise tbh.

https://www.renault.co.uk/safety/research-and-deve...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/07/new-re...

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/transport/article/rena...

In summary, very similar to black box monitoring as offered by some insurance companies. Score out of 100. No idea how it deals with the driver switching ADAS off which will still be permitted aiui, or controls over sharing of data.

Several cars have existed for years that measure your economy/aggressive driving and your attention.

For example... ?

[Evanivitch]

RSTurboPaul said:

For example... ?

Toyota, Lexus, Volkswagon, BMW

https://www.euroncap.com/en/car-safety/the-ratings...

[FiF]

RSTurboPaul said:

Evanivitch said:

FiF said:

Reading this was a surprise tbh.

https://www.renault.co.uk/safety/research-and-deve...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/07/new-re...

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/transport/article/rena...

In summary, very similar to black box monitoring as offered by some insurance companies. Score out of 100. No idea how it deals with the driver switching ADAS off which will still be permitted aiui, or controls over sharing of data.

Several cars have existed for years that measure your economy/aggressive driving and your attention.

For example... ?

I'd be interested in that too. It depends on the system. It's fairly recent but recall the one, possibly Hyundai ( bit of a guess) where if you did a quick life saver over the shoulder check when joining the motorway triggers a not paying attention alert. This is despite your driving probably being better than average.

[Debaser]

FiF said:

Reading this was a surprise tbh.

https://www.renault.co.uk/safety/research-and-deve...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/07/new-re...

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/transport/article/rena...

In summary, very similar to black box monitoring as offered by some insurance companies. Score out of 100. No idea how it deals with the driver switching ADAS off which will still be permitted aiui, or controls over sharing of data.

The ratings will definitely be wrong, so ignore them.

[ChocolateFrog]

Ah this must be why my loan car keeps beeping at me

[hedges88]

Not sure if it's still true but American cars limiters were based on their tyre ratings were they not?

I had to program in a speed limiter function on my W169 Mercedes which let me choose from 3 or 4 speed limiters that were designed to match seasonal tyres or tyres with lower/higher speed ratings. Don't know why the coding wasn't just standard. Tyre limitations are worth obeying

Saudi Arabian instrument cluster programming on most cars results in the most annoying chiming when you get to about 80. Does not stop unfortunately. I will feel lucky that we have at least some way of overriding it

[thejaywills]

A big problem I have with speed limiters to date is that they're down right dangerous if inadvertently set - and it's easy to do so..

Usually the controls are shared with the cruise control, with a switch toggling the effect.

I've been a passenger when a friend who thought he had just set cruise, was overtaking a truck on a dual carriage way that decided to speed up. Going at 90 he simply needed to accelerate a little to 100 and go about his business.. he accelerated, hit the limiter, was perplexed with what was happening as he wasn't accelerating, and had to stomp on the brakes and pull in behind to miss oncoming traffic (someone who was doing the dirty and overtaking someone on their side over a solid white line)

Whole thing can catch someone off guard, an obvious visual/audable reminder that he had the limiter on would have saved some brown pants.

I don't mind limiters at all if implemented properly (and are optional)

Like it or not, there are situations where mandatory limiters will be extremely dangerous.

[stinkyspanner]

So would I be right in thinking that a car that is new, but unregistered and already sitting at a dealer will now have all this speed limiter carp enabled if I were to buy it today, but had it have been bought and registered last week it wouldn't? In other words it's just a software update that the dealer is compelled to carry out?

[dcb]

thejaywills said:

I don't mind limiters at all if implemented properly (and are optional)

Like it or not, there are situations where mandatory limiters will be extremely dangerous.

Indeed. Early versions of the limiting software will be rubbish.
It will take a few years for the software to be usable.
I will be avoiding any car manufactured 2024-27 in any future purchase.

Limiters are no use in accidents at less than the speed limit.

With 45% of UK drivers exceeding the 70 mph limit, a lot
of voters and taxpayers will be taking a longer time (aka money)
to get to anywhere. Putting up prices for very little use
is rarely a good idea.

20+ years ago, the ABD estimated the benefit of removing the
UK 70 mph limit at £450 million. That's a lot more now.
Getting even more strict about the limit must be a similar cost.

When only 100 people a year die on UK motorways and most of
those aren't above the limit, is it reasonable to put up costs
for everyone in the nation ?

If these limiters save 30 lives a year on the motorway and a
standard UK life costs less than a million, it seems a bit
pointless, although fashionable, to spend something a lot
more £450M to save less than £30M.

So, of course, it has happened. Idiots.

[Whataguy]

Most of the time the limiter/speed limit advisory doesn’t work properly in my car with it regularly getting the limit wrong. Often saying a motorway is 20mph.

However, last week it was the other way round. I was on a clear 60mph road with clean and clear speed limit signs at the side of the road that it missed.

It missed the change to 50mph on the approach to a built up area, and then also the following change to 40mph.

As far as the car and the limiter and warning were concerned, 60mph in a 40mph limit was just fine.

The technology doesn’t work yet.

[croyde]

Evanivitch said:

Toyota, Lexus, Volkswagon, BMW

https://www.euroncap.com/en/car-safety/the-ratings...

Drove a 2014 Kadjar a few weeks ago that would grade you on your driving.

[740EVTORQUES]

My KIA has a camera and GPS based system which warns you about speed limits

It’s very helpful in stopping you inadvertently creeping over the limit, it’s a warning not a limiter.

You’re free to ignore it if you want.

Why isn’t this a thoroughly good idea?

[Benbay001]

A real world view based upon my recent purchase of a Volvo V60.... dont worry about it, its fine.
The binging can be disabled with one press of a button on the steering wheel.

(Experiences with other manufacturers vary, no doubt).

[toasty]

The simple answer for sports car manufacturers is to place a ‘user settings on’ button right next to the start button. Job done (until they ban it).

[Smint]

Whilst at first you will be able to turn these systems off, we all know in due course the ratchet effect will take place and they will be permanently engaged.
Anyone's guess what year they'll select for retrofitting cars regd before 2024, don't think they won't because politicians.

You know all those elephant racing trucks that annoy...enjoy.

[740EVTORQUES]

Why do you want to break the speed limit on road?

[FiF]

If the system gets the limit right they don't, we'll some do I guess but you 740 are missing the point.

When the system reads the roundel on the back of a heavy vehicle or coach and thinks that applies to a car.

Or reads 30 signs at the end of a side road off a road subject to a higher limit.

Or bonging away because the vehicle thinks a true 28mph is actually 30, or a true 67 is 70.

Or just doesn't know the proper limit for the road for whatever reason.

Bings and bongs are one thing, the next step actually setting a physical control of the vehicle is another.

[Wills2]

RSTurboPaul said:

Evanivitch said:

FiF said:

Reading this was a surprise tbh.

https://www.renault.co.uk/safety/research-and-deve...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/07/new-re...

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/transport/article/rena...

In summary, very similar to black box monitoring as offered by some insurance companies. Score out of 100. No idea how it deals with the driver switching ADAS off which will still be permitted aiui, or controls over sharing of data.

Several cars have existed for years that measure your economy/aggressive driving and your attention.

For example... ?

My BMW seems to know everything, logs all my trips where I go how fast, how long, MPG, average speed, when I'm stopped, what the car is doing e.g. coasting, ICE use, battery use, it's just started to send me monthly reviews via the app which are written in a patronising tone telling me Well Done! Or could do better!

And mine doesn't have the ADAS stuff on it.

Edited by Wills2 on Monday 8th July 08:37

[DodgyGeezer]

FiF said:

Bings and bongs are one thing, the next step actually setting a physical control of the vehicle is another.

Which is the next stage...