Schumacher 94 Documentary (Netflix)
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I watched this last night. Nothing really new learned from watching it but it was enjoyable enough. The film makers have merged in some fake close ups of his feet on the pedals, hands on the wheel and a helmet view camera that didn’t exist in reality which was pretty annoying.
A lot of focus on Imola which is to be expected.
The one thing I took from it was, although she didn’t admit than Schumacher took hill out on purpose in Australia, Corina hinted that it was justified because he had 4 fewer races than the other drivers (2 DSQs and a 2 race ban). It was as close to an admission of guilt anyone is going to get.
A lot of focus on Imola which is to be expected.
The one thing I took from it was, although she didn’t admit than Schumacher took hill out on purpose in Australia, Corina hinted that it was justified because he had 4 fewer races than the other drivers (2 DSQs and a 2 race ban). It was as close to an admission of guilt anyone is going to get.
This era of his career is one I choose to forget, it was fairly obvious that car was not quite as legal as it should have been, Walkinshaw was involved so nothing shocking there, the fire, the software, some of the dubious moves, and the final one. It just showed me that dirty was the only way this guy was winning, ok they had a power disadvantage, but the way Williams came together after that, and came to the fore, despite the team basically not backing Damon was one of the greatest stories, ruined by a dirty cheating driver in a dirty cheating team.
My best memo pry is the fake smile on the wall after he crashed, even he couldn't hide it. He knew it too.
My best memo pry is the fake smile on the wall after he crashed, even he couldn't hide it. He knew it too.
UKsandman said:
I watched this last night. Nothing really new learned from watching it but it was enjoyable enough. The film makers have merged in some fake close ups of his feet on the pedals, hands on the wheel and a helmet view camera that didn t exist in reality which was pretty annoying.
When I saw it I thought they had used Mick for those shots. A short statement at the end said it was AI. Plus some of the track footage was in much higher resolution than I remember, guess that had been AI-enhanced too. LM240 said:
I m looking forward to watching it.
I know Michael did some silly stuff, but the incident with Hill I give the benefit of the doubt, or at least enough excuse for it.
The attempt to overtake was so off line by Hill it was a stupid move up the inside.
Hill knew he’d hit the wall, but didn’t know how bad or that it would likely have stricken his car.I know Michael did some silly stuff, but the incident with Hill I give the benefit of the doubt, or at least enough excuse for it.
The attempt to overtake was so off line by Hill it was a stupid move up the inside.
His mindset was therefore “one chance, I need to go for it*
Can’t blame him for that. Schumachers move was so blatant…..can you imagine that nowadays?
The problem was that back then other than the odd Senna moment nobody really did stuff like this, MS made it far more normal and he did it so often it became the norm, 97 was even worse but exactly the same thing in reality.
Damon deserved this title far more, not only for himself, as he was almost ignored by people like Head at times, and also their pursuit of the old fat man in the second car, I think DC did the best possible thing to get out while he did quite honestly.
But the team, Newey, etc they all deserved it more after what they went through, what they did to get it back and to stop a cheat winning.
I don't even doubt Michael knew exactly what was going on with fuel rigs, software etc.
Damon deserved this title far more, not only for himself, as he was almost ignored by people like Head at times, and also their pursuit of the old fat man in the second car, I think DC did the best possible thing to get out while he did quite honestly.
But the team, Newey, etc they all deserved it more after what they went through, what they did to get it back and to stop a cheat winning.
I don't even doubt Michael knew exactly what was going on with fuel rigs, software etc.
paulguitar said:
LM240 said:
I know Michael did some silly stuff, but the incident with Hill I give the benefit of the doubt, or at least enough excuse for it.
Why would you give him the benefit of the doubt? It was standard OP for him.You could argue it was Hills driving standards that were poor. If that happened today it would be penalised as causing a collision.
Michael was ruthless and the other antics were stupid on his part. However, on this particular incident with Hill, I just don’t think people like to admit Hill did not drive well in that situation.
LM240 said:
paulguitar said:
LM240 said:
I know Michael did some silly stuff, but the incident with Hill I give the benefit of the doubt, or at least enough excuse for it.
Why would you give him the benefit of the doubt? It was standard OP for him.You could argue it was Hills driving standards that were poor. If that happened today it would be penalised as causing a collision.
Michael was ruthless and the other antics were stupid on his part. However, on this particular incident with Hill, I just don t think people like to admit Hill did not drive well in that situation.
He was to repeat this behaviour subsequently more than once, as well.
bergclimber34 said:
This era of his career is one I choose to forget, it was fairly obvious that car was not quite as legal as it should have been, Walkinshaw was involved so nothing shocking there, the fire, the software, some of the dubious moves, and the final one. It just showed me that dirty was the only way this guy was winning, ok they had a power disadvantage, but the way Williams came together after that, and came to the fore, despite the team basically not backing Damon was one of the greatest stories, ruined by a dirty cheating driver in a dirty cheating team.
My best memo pry is the fake smile on the wall after he crashed, even he couldn't hide it. He knew it too.
I doubt any F1 car from any team in any season has been entirely legal. My best memo pry is the fake smile on the wall after he crashed, even he couldn't hide it. He knew it too.
Muzzer79 said:
Hill knew he d hit the wall, but didn t know how bad or that it would likely have stricken his car.
His mindset was therefore one chance, I need to go for it*
Can t blame him for that. Schumachers move was so blatant ..can you imagine that nowadays?
Hill said in his autobiography that he knew Michael had gone wide but didn't know he had hit the wall (the onboard shows it happened out of view) so thought he was just struggling with dirty tyres hence the 'one chance' move. His mindset was therefore one chance, I need to go for it*
Can t blame him for that. Schumachers move was so blatant ..can you imagine that nowadays?
paulguitar said:
LM240 said:
paulguitar said:
LM240 said:
I know Michael did some silly stuff, but the incident with Hill I give the benefit of the doubt, or at least enough excuse for it.
Why would you give him the benefit of the doubt? It was standard OP for him.You could argue it was Hills driving standards that were poor. If that happened today it would be penalised as causing a collision.
Michael was ruthless and the other antics were stupid on his part. However, on this particular incident with Hill, I just don t think people like to admit Hill did not drive well in that situation.
He was to repeat this behaviour subsequently more than once, as well.
I don’t know if I’ve ever seen anything documented that the car was damaged. There was nothing immediately obvious after quite a relatively slow and square hit of the wall with the wheels.
But we’ll never know after Hill drove into him :-)
LM240 said:
Different views are fine. I m not going to argue your point is wrong. I m not arguing some of his ruthless vices/other incidents either. Regardless of them, I still see him as the greatest.
I don t know if I ve ever seen anything documented that the car was damaged. There was nothing immediately obvious after quite a relatively slow and square hit of the wall with the wheels.
But we ll never know after Hill drove into him :-)
I don't see him as in the running for 'greatest' status, purely on the basis that he significantly lacked integrity on the track.I don t know if I ve ever seen anything documented that the car was damaged. There was nothing immediately obvious after quite a relatively slow and square hit of the wall with the wheels.
But we ll never know after Hill drove into him :-)
I have way more respect for Stirling Moss, with zero titles, than MS, with seven.
What's frustrating is that Schumacher was way too good to have to behave like that.
I would have him in my top 10 but nowhere near the top, he was nasty, ruthless and had a very nasty streak in him, just like Senna did for a lot of his career.
As other have said he had the speed to not needs to do this as later years proved. But I am sure if another team had 24h testing access and special tyres made for them just about every race they could have been pretty good too. For me was outclassed by two men in his career, Mika and Nando, one showed him how to win fairly in a very good car and the other showed him his time was up
As other have said he had the speed to not needs to do this as later years proved. But I am sure if another team had 24h testing access and special tyres made for them just about every race they could have been pretty good too. For me was outclassed by two men in his career, Mika and Nando, one showed him how to win fairly in a very good car and the other showed him his time was up
LM240 said:
paulguitar said:
LM240 said:
paulguitar said:
LM240 said:
I know Michael did some silly stuff, but the incident with Hill I give the benefit of the doubt, or at least enough excuse for it.
Why would you give him the benefit of the doubt? It was standard OP for him.You could argue it was Hills driving standards that were poor. If that happened today it would be penalised as causing a collision.
Michael was ruthless and the other antics were stupid on his part. However, on this particular incident with Hill, I just don t think people like to admit Hill did not drive well in that situation.
He was to repeat this behaviour subsequently more than once, as well.
I don t know if I ve ever seen anything documented that the car was damaged. There was nothing immediately obvious after quite a relatively slow and square hit of the wall with the wheels.
But we ll never know after Hill drove into him :-)
paulguitar said:
I don't see him as in the running for 'greatest' status, purely on the basis that he significantly lacked integrity on the track.
I have way more respect for Stirling Moss, with zero titles, than MS, with seven.
What's frustrating is that Schumacher was way too good to have to behave like that.
Same. He was certainly very quick, certainly very good at driving a team and helping to develop a car, but far too dirty and dangerous. The moves on Hill and Villeneuve were not too bad, being at low speed and when a world title was on the line, but things like this were much more dangerous with much less at stake.I have way more respect for Stirling Moss, with zero titles, than MS, with seven.
What's frustrating is that Schumacher was way too good to have to behave like that.
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cgt2 said:
I first met him in 1996 (unbelievably I got to share a helicopter with him) and this film does give an idea of his sheer charisma, presence and huge self belief. It was so palpable in person and was such a huge part of the loyalty he got from Benetton and later Ferrari
Interestingly, he actually had a lot of self-doubt. Reb Smedley was discussing it recently on the 'High Performance Racing' podcast.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff