What more does AN need to do to get a knighthood
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Adrian Newey is an OBE and for the life of me I have no idea why he's not had a higher award. There are few individuals, in any field, that have had a bigger or more successful career, and nearly all of it in the UK.
Motorsport is an area where the UK utterly dominated, yet it seems like somewhere that's poorly recognised.
Motorsport is an area where the UK utterly dominated, yet it seems like somewhere that's poorly recognised.
8Ace said:
Adrian Newey is an OBE and for the life of me I have no idea why he's not had a higher award. There are few individuals, in any field, that have had a bigger or more successful career, and nearly all of it in the UK.
Motorsport is an area where the UK utterly dominated, yet it seems like somewhere that's poorly recognised.
Remember that it is not enforced. People are offered the award and can turn it down.Motorsport is an area where the UK utterly dominated, yet it seems like somewhere that's poorly recognised.
Less likely he will get an award if people start arguments about him being denied and the injustice of it all.
I can see why a driver may get an award for being the obvious hero in the car and doing a lot of work for charity.
some boffin in a back room doesnt really have the same appeal.
Less worth people get them for trivial stuff but its usually to make the public think they too could do the same.
Nobody is going to be inspired to be a top f1 designer. You either have the right intellect or you dont.
I can see why a driver may get an award for being the obvious hero in the car and doing a lot of work for charity.
some boffin in a back room doesnt really have the same appeal.
Less worth people get them for trivial stuff but its usually to make the public think they too could do the same.
Nobody is going to be inspired to be a top f1 designer. You either have the right intellect or you dont.
8Ace said:
Motorsport is an area where the UK utterly dominated, yet it seems like somewhere that's poorly recognised.
I don't think that's the case.Off the top of my head, you have Lewis Hamilton, Jenson Button, Martin Brundle, Christian Horner, Ron Dennis, Stirling Moss, Nigel Mansell, Jackie Stewart, Frank Williams, Patrick Head, Ross Brawn, Damon Hill, Colin Chapman and Jim Clark and many others that have received a gong of some description. There's many more less famous names in the sport that have also receive one or two.
As both a sport and industry sector, I'd say Motor Sport is as well represented as any other, proportional to the numbers who work in it.
Knighthoods were traditionally awarded to those at the tail-end of their careers or after it (in keeping with the original intent to reward successful warriors and commanders who proved themselves loyal and effective in defence of the Monarch), though there's been some degree of slippage from this over the past years.
DOCG said:
What I don't understand is why Gareth Southgate, a complete loser and failure, deserves a knighthood.
He's not though, is he?I know little about football but recognise that Southgate has transformed the England team and is the most successful England manager in terms of game wins and championship standings. Longest serving too I believe.
Honours are often more about commitment and the contribution one makes to the 'whole' rather than just the end result and I don't think anyone can claim Southgate is deficient on these things.
StevieBee said:
DOCG said:
What I don't understand is why Gareth Southgate, a complete loser and failure, deserves a knighthood.
He's not though, is he?I know little about football but recognise that Southgate has transformed the England team and is the most successful England manager in terms of game wins and championship standings. Longest serving too I believe.
Honours are often more about commitment and the contribution one makes to the 'whole' rather than just the end result and I don't think anyone can claim Southgate is deficient on these things.
MrBig said:
StevieBee said:
DOCG said:
What I don't understand is why Gareth Southgate, a complete loser and failure, deserves a knighthood.
He's not though, is he?I know little about football but recognise that Southgate has transformed the England team and is the most successful England manager in terms of game wins and championship standings. Longest serving too I believe.
Honours are often more about commitment and the contribution one makes to the 'whole' rather than just the end result and I don't think anyone can claim Southgate is deficient on these things.
Sandpit Steve said:
Because one expects the very top honours for sport to be given to those with winners’ trophies in their cabinet, not just runners-up medals?
Exactly, I don't think that top honours should be given to sportspeople (or politicians) except under extraordinary circumstances, such as winning the first World Cup in in however many years. Giving it to someone who was merely a good manager just devalues the entire thing.DOCG said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Because one expects the very top honours for sport to be given to those with winners’ trophies in their cabinet, not just runners-up medals?
Exactly, I don't think that top honours should be given to sportspeople (or politicians) except under extraordinary circumstances, such as winning the first World Cup in in however many years. Giving it to someone who was merely a good manager just devalues the entire thing.Whether or not Southgate was worthy of a Knighthood I'll leave to those who understand the game to judge but the point is you can't just look at the lack of trophies as a reason not to award him.
Lewis Hamilton received his knighthood as much for his work around promoting - and fostering - gender and ethnic equalities in both motor sport and the automotive/engineering sector.
Ron Dennis got his more for his charity work than his success in F1 (using the success achieved in F1 for wider good).
Adrian Newey is of course an astoundingly brilliant aerodynamicist but has he substantially influenced F1 in the same way that Colin Chapman or Gordon Murray did (neither of whom were knighted)? Has he or is he using his skill or success for the betterment of wider society in the same way Hamilton or Dennis has?
StevieBee said:
Adrian Newey is of course an astoundingly brilliant aerodynamicist but has he substantially influenced F1 in the same way that Colin Chapman or Gordon Murray did (neither of whom were knighted)?
Murray is South African so ineligible I think. And chapman was a genius but by some accounts a pretty dodgy character! StevieBee said:
Lewis Hamilton received his knighthood as much for his work around promoting - and fostering - gender and ethnic equalities in both motor sport and the automotive/engineering sector.
What did he do to promote that? And what tangible results were accomplished?Edited by DOCG on Friday 3rd January 17:59
paulguitar said:
StevieBee said:
Adrian Newey is of course an astoundingly brilliant aerodynamicist but has he substantially influenced F1 in the same way that Colin Chapman or Gordon Murray did (neither of whom were knighted)?
Murray is South African so ineligible I think. And chapman was a genius but by some accounts a pretty dodgy character! Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff