Will Newey give Aston a Championship?
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Will Alonso get another WDC or is Stroll Snr hoping that Stroll Jnr will be the recipient of the World Drivers Championship?
Maybe the Constructors Championship will suffice?
No excuses now. Plenty of money, yes. A driving team that includes a twice World Champion, yes. A designer who has been behind many World Championships, yes.
Where can it go wrong? Interference from the top, maybe.
Maybe the Constructors Championship will suffice?
No excuses now. Plenty of money, yes. A driving team that includes a twice World Champion, yes. A designer who has been behind many World Championships, yes.
Where can it go wrong? Interference from the top, maybe.
Tazar said:
Will Alonso get another WDC or is Stroll Snr hoping that Stroll Jnr will be the recipient of the World Drivers Championship?
Maybe the Constructors Championship will suffice?
No excuses now. Plenty of money, yes. A driving team that includes a twice World Champion, yes. A designer who has been behind many World Championships, yes.
Where can it go wrong? Interference from the top, maybe.
I'm always confused as to why may people think Stroll Snr is the likely problematic cog in the machine. This is a hugely successful man and that has entered into F1, bankrolled his Son into possible championship contention, improved a team hugely with regards to equipment and staff, Why does everyone think he will be an issue. F1 wins nothing without a strong leader. True of Mclaren in the Ron days, Horner and Wolff. Maybe the Constructors Championship will suffice?
No excuses now. Plenty of money, yes. A driving team that includes a twice World Champion, yes. A designer who has been behind many World Championships, yes.
Where can it go wrong? Interference from the top, maybe.
I never minded working for a strong/demanding leader, it was committee that was always the problem with no clear goals and too many chiefs.
Back to the question, I'd love to see Teflonso doing great again. The fire would be like Max in 21. Unmissable stuff, especially against Max and a Ferrari driving Lewis. Guaranteed fireworks but I don't think it'll happen. I don't think Stroll Jnr that bad but no evidence to suggest he'll be a WDC or even strong number 2 and Alonso dare I say will run out of time before a decent car comes on stream.
As to Newey, what will be the more important factor in winning, him or the new wind tunnel? Its quite the combination.
Edited by Presuming Ed on Wednesday 11th September 12:18
axel1990chp said:
I don't believe any constructor can give Stroll Jr a WDC. Whilst he might be capable, he isn't capable 100% of the time. Far too many mistakes.
Someone posted in another thread, and I agree with it, I don't believe Newey will deliver another Championship winning car again.
From what I understand 2026 is more an engine formula and less aero, so I might be wrong but I am not sure what difference Newey can make, Honda might still deliver a donkey of an engine.Someone posted in another thread, and I agree with it, I don't believe Newey will deliver another Championship winning car again.
My view - all the ingredients are there but the timing doesn't quite line up.
Alonso's competitiveness will decline in the coming years, perhaps 2026 is too late for him.
Stroll Jnr isn't consistently good enough to win WDC.
Together, they might win WCC but that looks a stretch.
Newey's influence may or may not be as great as in the past, but in any case will have a small effect on the 2025 car and a much bigger effect on 2026 and beyond.
Honda - I think they will be at the top of their game.
So the crux is - which top driver will Aston Martin sign, and when?
I'm going out on a limb and guess they will poach Piastri and win WDC with him, in 2027.
Alonso's competitiveness will decline in the coming years, perhaps 2026 is too late for him.
Stroll Jnr isn't consistently good enough to win WDC.
Together, they might win WCC but that looks a stretch.
Newey's influence may or may not be as great as in the past, but in any case will have a small effect on the 2025 car and a much bigger effect on 2026 and beyond.
Honda - I think they will be at the top of their game.
So the crux is - which top driver will Aston Martin sign, and when?
I'm going out on a limb and guess they will poach Piastri and win WDC with him, in 2027.
On his own? No.
It needs car & driver. IMO neither driver will do it. Alonso may well be too old by the time the car is there (I know he's in fine form, but age will be having an effect).
AN needs to get the shop setup as he wants and get the processes in place and bedded. He'll also need to build a solid team to compliment his skills and way of working. I just think by the time all the cards fall into place it might be too late.
It needs car & driver. IMO neither driver will do it. Alonso may well be too old by the time the car is there (I know he's in fine form, but age will be having an effect).
AN needs to get the shop setup as he wants and get the processes in place and bedded. He'll also need to build a solid team to compliment his skills and way of working. I just think by the time all the cards fall into place it might be too late.
They have as much chance as anybody in 2026. All the ingredients are there - Newey, Honda, and all the resources they would need to build a winning car. I believe Alonso would still be able to perform at the highest level then if he had a sniff of success.
Caveats?
- 2026 is such a major change of regs that there is the possibility that at least one team will miss the mark by a wide margin, while another might hit the sweet spot from the start. If you had to back one person to be on the right side of that it would be Newey, but you never know until you get there.
- How quickly will he be able to have any influence on the team? By the time he officially joins in March next year they will already be well into the 2026 concept design. I'm sure he'll be having unofficial meetings with the other senior designers before then to discuss direction, but it's not a long lead up to the next season to get everything ticking along.
- 2026 will be the start of a new working relationship between AM and Honda, and that may take time to gel properly, especially if there are any technical deficiencies on either side.
- AM and their predecessor teams have no history of winning. They've won a couple of races in the distant past but have never fought for a championship. Although they will have proven winners in Newey, Alonso and others, they will have to learn that winning mentality as a team, just as McLaren are having to relearn that now.
Caveats?
- 2026 is such a major change of regs that there is the possibility that at least one team will miss the mark by a wide margin, while another might hit the sweet spot from the start. If you had to back one person to be on the right side of that it would be Newey, but you never know until you get there.
- How quickly will he be able to have any influence on the team? By the time he officially joins in March next year they will already be well into the 2026 concept design. I'm sure he'll be having unofficial meetings with the other senior designers before then to discuss direction, but it's not a long lead up to the next season to get everything ticking along.
- 2026 will be the start of a new working relationship between AM and Honda, and that may take time to gel properly, especially if there are any technical deficiencies on either side.
- AM and their predecessor teams have no history of winning. They've won a couple of races in the distant past but have never fought for a championship. Although they will have proven winners in Newey, Alonso and others, they will have to learn that winning mentality as a team, just as McLaren are having to relearn that now.
maz8062 said:
Alonso is too ring rusty to be able to challenge for a 23 race WDC. They need a driver to build the team around - Lando, Max, Charles, the new kid on the block when he comes, but they need a top notch driver to be in with a shout.
Given the right car next year, Alonso could still be a force, IMO... but who knows how he'll be performing in 26/27/28 when the Newey effect really starts to take hold. Right now, I'd rate Alonso over Norris or Leclerc. Perhaps not in terms of raw one-lap speed, but in terms of managing to consistently extract lap times without making mistakes or killing his tyres. However he's got to start to fall away soon, surely?
Presuming Ed said:
I'm always confused as to why may people think Stroll Snr is the likely problematic cog in the machine. This is a hugely successful man and that has entered into F1, bankrolled his Son into possible championship contention, improved a team hugely with regards to equipment and staff, Why does everyone think he will be an issue. F1 wins nothing without a strong leader. True of Mclaren in the Ron days, Horner and Wolff.
Agree in part. He may be an arse but he seems to have grasped what he needs to create a successful team. I think they have a chance but not solely down to newey. The other appointments will be equally important, albeit having Honda as an engine partner and newey as the one who pushed Honda to develop their engine to suit his chassis will no doubt be a big help
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