Jackie Stewart has been unwell

Jackie Stewart has been unwell

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Halmyre

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11,939 posts

154 months

Saturday 8th July 2023
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Seems he had a stroke some weeks ago but is OK now.

Retire and take it easy for FFS! You've earned it.

The Vambo

7,231 posts

156 months

Sunday 9th July 2023
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Hopefully just another tally on the long list of things Jackie beat,

Just thinking about Rodger Federer makes me smile biggrin

Tazar

597 posts

207 months

Sunday 9th July 2023
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Jackie is head of a family of fighters. My best wishes to them all .

Pflanzgarten

5,718 posts

40 months

Sunday 9th July 2023
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Working today at Silverstone!

Sandpit Steve

12,924 posts

89 months

Sunday 9th July 2023
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Jackie on the grid, ambushed by Brundle. Good to see.

grumpynuts

1,017 posts

175 months

Saturday 12th August 2023
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Top bloke JYS,enjoyed sharing a table at lunch with him in the mid '80's,told some brilliant anecdotes and we werr all captivatex by him.The consumate professional.

Halmyre

Original Poster:

11,939 posts

154 months

Saturday 12th August 2023
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EmailAddress said:
Comes across as a bitter, narcissistic, racist to me, but I've never met the chap so I've only got decades of interviews and television appearances to base my opinion on.
Can you provide a link or two?

anonymous-user

69 months

Saturday 12th August 2023
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EmailAddress said:
Comes across as a bitter, narcissistic, racist to me, but I've never met the chap so I've only got decades of interviews and television appearances to base my opinion on.

Certainly have to respect his achievements towards bettering the sport he loves.
This is pretty much my opinion too, seems like doing a lot for safety sixty years ago now means you can have racist, bigoted views unchallenged…

FNG

4,521 posts

239 months

Saturday 12th August 2023
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I didn’t know he was a racist, I have to say.

What’s he gone and said?

Sandpit Steve

12,924 posts

89 months

Saturday 12th August 2023
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FNG said:
I didn’t know he was a racist, I have to say.

What’s he gone and said?
Some of his comments about a certain driver, come across as both racist and classist. He thinks that motorsport is for a certain type of gentleman, and not for the black kids from the ‘hood (to paraphrase only slightly).

Personally, as a massive LH fan, I think that JS is a character of his age, and find it difficult to hold much against him given all the work he did on safety.

I don’t think he means ill, he’s 84 and I’m sure many of us have parents and grandparents who say something slightly out of line by modern standards now and again.

PhilAsia

5,961 posts

90 months

Sunday 13th August 2023
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Sandpit Steve said:
Some of his comments about a certain driver, come across as both racist and classist. He thinks that motorsport is for a certain type of gentleman, and not for the black kids from the ‘hood (to paraphrase only slightly).

Personally, as a massive LH fan, I think that JS is a character of his age, and find it difficult to hold much against him given all the work he did on safety.

I don’t think he means ill, he’s 84 and I’m sure many of us have parents and grandparents who say something slightly out of line by modern standards now and again.
Certain driver with, ironically, a Scottish slave-owner's family name.

I find him a closet racist that lets his guard slip occasionally, like many of his generation. Being over 80, you would expect him to have learnt a thing or two.

Derek Smith

47,528 posts

263 months

Sunday 13th August 2023
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I was a big fan of Clark and after his death, Stewart always seemed to be a sort of imitation of his compatriot, a pound shop version.

But he was denigrated and criticised by various media, particularly Motor Sport, as they didn't like the playboy image - long hair, flash wife, flashier clothes, yet Moss et al were always seen with a selection of girls hanging on their every word and every arm. He had a way with him that wasn't seen as normal racing driver stuff, and when he started the safety drive, vitriol was heaped on him from the media, again particularly Motor Sport. I actually cancelled my subscription to the mag and didn't read it again for decades. That showed 'em.

I became a fan of his. Brave on the circuits, and as brave, if not more so, off it. Mind you, he has brought whining to an art form.

He's good and bad, just like any other driver. Just like any of us. He has his attitudes instilled as a youth and seems happy with them. I had mine instilled by whom I now realise were enlightened parents and I'm happy with mine, so perhaps a bit of understanding might be called for. Sartorially, he's an affront to the eyes. If he is a racist, he only occasionally lets it slip. His views on Hamilton are laughable at times. He's not so much yesterday's man as last week's and should be viewed as and old grandfather who can be unintentionally hyper-amusing at the Xmas lunch table, to be excused by 'that's just him'. I'm willing to cut him a bit of slack given the thrill of following him back in the day and the work he did with safety.

I wish him well.

Leithen

13,068 posts

282 months

Sunday 13th August 2023
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None of us are perfect. He’s fundamentally a good man who saved countless lives by being stubborn and outspoken. Underneath it all he’s a lovely bloke who has spent a lot of his life caring for his brother and now his wife.

I’m also entirely biased because he also showed great kindness to my father and even took the time to call me after his death. Didn’t have to but he did.

PhilAsia

5,961 posts

90 months

Sunday 13th August 2023
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His legacy is one of a great champion and a man that fought to push back what was once portrayed as an acceptable death toll in a dangerous sport - his endeavours were absolutely incredible!

His occasional racism, whilst also on the same world stage, was disappointing.

Olivera

8,153 posts

254 months

Sunday 13th August 2023
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What's the verbatim evidence of him allegedly being racist? It better be good.

PhilAsia

5,961 posts

90 months

Sunday 13th August 2023
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Olivera said:
What's the verbatim evidence of him allegedly being racist? It better be good.
Oh, it was...

Olivera

8,153 posts

254 months

Sunday 13th August 2023
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PhilAsia said:
Oh, it was...
Post it here for us all to see, including the source.

PhilAsia

5,961 posts

90 months

Monday 14th August 2023
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Olivera said:
Post it here for us all to see, including the source.
Actually, you're right, it wasn't really, really, really racist so it is not worthy of your scrutiny and feedback.

Thanks though...

Pistom

5,904 posts

174 months

Monday 14th August 2023
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Not sure why people have to focus on an individual's personal characteristics. I wish I was so perfect that I was beyond reproach.

To me he's Jackie Stewart. He's been an important person in motor sport.

I don't feel any need to judge him beyond that.

IJWS15

2,013 posts

100 months

Monday 14th August 2023
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Aren’t all Scots racist? The target being the English!