Michael Schumacher
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I don't normally 'do' Daily Mail https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/artic...
t. It is a shame really. He has millions of fans worldwide who have support and cheered him on throughout his life (not a fan of him personally after his running Hill of the road by accident (on purpose) and then his fall out with Coultard (apparently it was Coultards fault he drove in to the back of him in heavy rain)
I don’t think they need to release his entire medical records but to put out absolutely no news to his army of fans is a little selfish in my opinion.
Even if they just said the very basics.
I.e he can communicate and has limited movement or.
He can’t communicate and is unable to move.
Just my opinion though.
I don’t think they need to release his entire medical records but to put out absolutely no news to his army of fans is a little selfish in my opinion.
Even if they just said the very basics.
I.e he can communicate and has limited movement or.
He can’t communicate and is unable to move.
Just my opinion though.
Concur with all the above and particularly sad with his son in F1. In normal circumstances can anyone imagine him not being in the paddock and a guiding hand to look out for his kid?
Was lucky enough to meet him a few times and his work ethic and intensity off the track let alone at a race weekend was otherworldly.
Was lucky enough to meet him a few times and his work ethic and intensity off the track let alone at a race weekend was otherworldly.
Brain injuries do not suddenly fix themselves years later, so there won't ever be any "decent progress" and things won't ever "improve for him" unless there are massive advances in medical science. Those are not even on the horizon and he is 50 something, and his life-expectancy is likely to be reduced by his condition.
It is clear that he is severely brain damaged. We know that he cannot walk, because that had to be admitted in a court case against a German magazine, to rebut an assertion by the magazine that he could.
It is pretty clear that he cannot communicate, or do much for himself, from his wife's comments in the newspaper article - "Everybody misses Michael. Michael is here - different, but here. He still shows me how strong he is every day."
It is clear that he is severely brain damaged. We know that he cannot walk, because that had to be admitted in a court case against a German magazine, to rebut an assertion by the magazine that he could.
It is pretty clear that he cannot communicate, or do much for himself, from his wife's comments in the newspaper article - "Everybody misses Michael. Michael is here - different, but here. He still shows me how strong he is every day."
Whilst I am amazed and truly astounded at how far and what can be achieved with modern medicine and medical intervention one has to question why we insist on keeping people like this alive. We wouldn’t do it to our pets or other animals. I for one wouldn’t want to be kept alive, not just for my own sake but for the sake of my loved ones. I wouldn’t want my wife to have to spend the rest of her life cleaning and looking after me or visiting me in some hospital. Same for my other family. It’s not just a loss of your own life, everybody else’s life around you is in eternal limbo waiting for you to die.
Sorry very off topic and I don’t intend to drag the thread down that route.
As for the documentary. I’m looking forward to watching it.
Sorry very off topic and I don’t intend to drag the thread down that route.
As for the documentary. I’m looking forward to watching it.
MB140 said:
Whilst I am amazed and truly astounded at how far and what can be achieved with modern medicine and medical intervention one has to question why we insist on keeping people like this alive.
I'm not sure he is being 'kept' alive but is possibly in a vegetative state, and therefore alive and you cannot simply 'pull the plug' on him. Were he on life support then that would be a different matter. Whilst it is undoubtedly awful for his wife and family his wealth will doubtless mean that he has 24 hour care and will be as comfortable as he can be.
MB140 said:
Whilst I am amazed and truly astounded at how far and what can be achieved with modern medicine and medical intervention one has to question why we insist on keeping people like this alive. We wouldn’t do it to our pets or other animals. I for one wouldn’t want to be kept alive, not just for my own sake but for the sake of my loved ones. I wouldn’t want my wife to have to spend the rest of her life cleaning and looking after me or visiting me in some hospital. Same for my other family. It’s not just a loss of your own life, everybody else’s life around you is in eternal limbo waiting for you to die.
Sorry very off topic and I don’t intend to drag the thread down that route.
As for the documentary. I’m looking forward to watching it.
Agree, it is about quality of life, not just for the unfortunate person, but also the carers.Sorry very off topic and I don’t intend to drag the thread down that route.
As for the documentary. I’m looking forward to watching it.
My F-in-l passed away last week, had Myeloblastic Leukemia. He was kept alive for about 4 years past the initial diagnosis and 3-6 months to live. During that period he was in agony a lot of the time, had no quality of life as he had no energy and constant pain at some level, and had to endure needles every other day or so. He hated it but the doctors insisted on keeping him alive.
We would not do that to an animal, so why do it to ourselves?
I hope someday it’s completely okay to just go if you want to in circumstances like this. Different from suicide due to depression or other mental health conditions but if you know your quality of life won’t get better. My grandad struggled on for months after becoming vegetative and I know for certain he wished to go if that was ever the fate that befell him because he told the whole family. He gave up long before my nan or mum would ever let him go and I hated knowing every day he was wasting away with no dignity.
Forget your loved ones and their selfishness (albeit out of undoubted love).
It’s clear he’s a vegetable, at this stage it’s cruel, especially if he can’t say anything or do anything to change his position on his own. I can’t imagine Corinna, Mick, Gina, Ralf or Ralf asking him if he still wants to be alive, what if he doesn’t?
Forget your loved ones and their selfishness (albeit out of undoubted love).
It’s clear he’s a vegetable, at this stage it’s cruel, especially if he can’t say anything or do anything to change his position on his own. I can’t imagine Corinna, Mick, Gina, Ralf or Ralf asking him if he still wants to be alive, what if he doesn’t?
Edited by F1GTRUeno on Sunday 12th September 18:46
Edited by F1GTRUeno on Sunday 12th September 18:47
F1GTRUeno said:
I hope someday it’s completely okay to just go if you want to in circumstances like this. Different from suicide due to depression or other mental health conditions but if you know your quality of life won’t get better. My grandad struggled on for months after becoming vegetative and I know for certain he wished to go if that was ever the fate that befell him because he told the whole family. He gave up long before my nan or mum would ever let him go and I hated knowing every day he was wasting away with no dignity.
Forget your loved ones and their selfishness (albeit out of undoubted love).
It’s clear he’s a vegetable, at this stage it’s cruel, especially if he can’t say anything or do anything to change his position on his own. I can’t imagine Corinna, Mick, Gina, Ralf or Ralf asking him if he still wants to be alive, what if he doesn’t?
In fairness it is legal where he currently is, however unfortunately you need to be able to make the decision and not have anyone with a vested interest in it happening. So I guess he’s either unable or unwilling to go down that route, but I agree with what you’re saying.Forget your loved ones and their selfishness (albeit out of undoubted love).
It’s clear he’s a vegetable, at this stage it’s cruel, especially if he can’t say anything or do anything to change his position on his own. I can’t imagine Corinna, Mick, Gina, Ralf or Ralf asking him if he still wants to be alive, what if he doesn’t?
Edited by F1GTRUeno on Sunday 12th September 18:46
Edited by F1GTRUeno on Sunday 12th September 18:47
Nardies said:
In fairness it is legal where he currently is, however unfortunately you need to be able to make the decision and not have anyone with a vested interest in it happening. So I guess he’s either unable or unwilling to go down that route, but I agree with what you’re saying.
UK: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/end-of-life-care/adv...and: https://www.dyingmatters.org/page/legal-and-ethica...
Made pre-injury
you could direct future refusal of a feeding tube for nutrients and water under set circumstances, eg "I cannot be discenered to be sentient or respond to commands, and no reversable impairement or disease exists," etc etc.
you'd need a lawyer and a doctor to help you write it
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