Thread for argument on whether driver a was better than b
Discussion
This slot has to be due for this:
A man walks into an office.
Man: (Michael Palin) Ah. I'd like to have an argument, please.
Receptionist: Certainly sir. Have you been here before?
Man: No, this is my first time.
Receptionist: I see. Well, do you want to have the full argument, or were you thinking of taking a course?
Man: Well, what would be the cost?
Receptionist: Well, It's one pound for a five minute argument, but only eight pounds for a course of ten.
Man: Well, I think it's probably best if I start with the one and then see how it goes from there, okay?
Receptionist: Fine. I'll see who's free at the moment.
(Pause)
Receptionist: Mr. DeBakey's free, but he's a little bit conciliatory. Ahh yes, Try Mr. Barnard; room 12.
Man: Thank you. (Walks down the hall. Opens door.)
Angry man: WHADDAYOU WANT?
Man: Well, Well, I was told outside that...
Angry man: DON'T GIVE ME THAT, YOU SNOTTY-FACED HEAP OF PARROT DROPPINGS!
Man: What?
A: SHUT YOUR FESTERING GOB, YOU TIT! YOUR TYPE MAKES ME PUKE! YOU VACUOUS TOFFEE-NOSED MALODOROUS PERVERT!!!
M: Yes, but I came here for an argument!!
A: OH! Oh! I'm sorry! This is abuse!
M: Oh! Oh I see!
A: Aha! No, you want room 12A, next door.
M: Oh...Sorry...
A: Not at all!
A: (under his breath) stupid git.
(The man goes into room 12A. Another man is sitting behind a desk.)
Man: Is this the right room for an argument?
Other Man
John Cleese) I've told you once.
Man: No you haven't!
Other Man: Yes I have.
M: When?
O: Just now.
M: No you didn't!
O: Yes I did!
M: You didn't!
O: I did!
M: You didn't!
O: I'm telling you, I did!
M: You did not!
O: Oh I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?
M: Ah! (taking out his wallet and paying) Just the five minutes.
O: Just the five minutes. Thank you.
O: Anyway, I did.
M: You most certainly did not!
O: Now let's get one thing quite clear: I most definitely told you!
M: Oh no you didn't!
O: Oh yes I did!
M: Oh no you didn't!
O: Oh yes I did!
M: Oh no you didn't!
O: Oh yes I did!
M: Oh no you didn't!
O: Oh yes I did!
M: Oh no you didn't!
O: Oh yes I did!
M: Oh no you didn't!
O: Oh yes I did!
M: No you DIDN'T!
O: Oh yes I did!
M: No you DIDN'T!
O: Oh yes I did!
M: No you DIDN'T!
O: Oh yes I did!
M: Oh look, this isn't an argument!
(pause)
O: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
(pause)
M: It's just contradiction!
O: No it isn't!
M: It IS!
O: It is NOT!
M: You just contradicted me!
O: No I didn't!
M: You DID!
O: No no no!
M: You did just then!
O: Nonsense!
M: (exasperated) Oh, this is futile!!
(pause)
O: No it isn't!
M: Yes it is!
(pause)
M: I came here for a good argument!
O: AH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
O: Well! it CAN be!
M: No it can't!
M: An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
O: No it isn't!
M: Yes it is! 'tisn't just contradiction.
O: Look, if I *argue* with you, I must take up a contrary position!
M: Yes but it isn't just saying 'no it isn't'.
O: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
O: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
O: Yes it is!
M: No it ISN'T! Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.
O: It is NOT!
M: It is!
O: Not at all!
M: It is!
(The Arguer hits a bell on his desk and stops.)
O: Thank you, that's it.
M: (stunned) What?
O: That's it. Good morning.
M: But I was just getting interested!
O: I'm sorry, the five minutes is up.
M: That was never five minutes just now!!
O: I'm afraid it was.
M: (leading on) No it wasn't.....
O: I'm sorry, I'm not allowed to argue any more.
M: WHAT??
O: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
M: But that was never five minutes just now!
Oh Come on!
Oh this is...
This is ridiculous!
O: I told you... I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you PAY!
M: Oh all right. (takes out his wallet and pays again.) There you are.
O: Thank you.
M: (clears throat) Well...
O: Well WHAT?
M: That was never five minutes just now.
O: I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!
M: Well I just paid!
O: No you didn't!
M: I DID!!!
O: YOU didn't!
M: I DID!!!
O: YOU didn't!
M: I DID!!!
O: YOU didn't!
M: I DID!!!
O: YOU didn't!
M: I don't want to argue about it!
O: Well I'm very sorry but you didn't pay!
M: Ah hah! Well if I didn't pay, why are you arguing??? Ah HAAAAAAHHH! Gotcha!
O: No you haven't!
M: Yes I have! If you're arguing, I must have paid.
O: Not necessarily. I *could* be arguing in my spare time.
M: I've had enough of this!
O: No you haven't.
M: Oh shut up!
By the way, Lewis is definitely the best British driver this century, apart from maybe Jenson in 2009
A man walks into an office.
Man: (Michael Palin) Ah. I'd like to have an argument, please.
Receptionist: Certainly sir. Have you been here before?
Man: No, this is my first time.
Receptionist: I see. Well, do you want to have the full argument, or were you thinking of taking a course?
Man: Well, what would be the cost?
Receptionist: Well, It's one pound for a five minute argument, but only eight pounds for a course of ten.
Man: Well, I think it's probably best if I start with the one and then see how it goes from there, okay?
Receptionist: Fine. I'll see who's free at the moment.
(Pause)
Receptionist: Mr. DeBakey's free, but he's a little bit conciliatory. Ahh yes, Try Mr. Barnard; room 12.
Man: Thank you. (Walks down the hall. Opens door.)
Angry man: WHADDAYOU WANT?
Man: Well, Well, I was told outside that...
Angry man: DON'T GIVE ME THAT, YOU SNOTTY-FACED HEAP OF PARROT DROPPINGS!
Man: What?
A: SHUT YOUR FESTERING GOB, YOU TIT! YOUR TYPE MAKES ME PUKE! YOU VACUOUS TOFFEE-NOSED MALODOROUS PERVERT!!!
M: Yes, but I came here for an argument!!
A: OH! Oh! I'm sorry! This is abuse!
M: Oh! Oh I see!
A: Aha! No, you want room 12A, next door.
M: Oh...Sorry...
A: Not at all!
A: (under his breath) stupid git.
(The man goes into room 12A. Another man is sitting behind a desk.)
Man: Is this the right room for an argument?
Other Man
John Cleese) I've told you once.Man: No you haven't!
Other Man: Yes I have.
M: When?
O: Just now.
M: No you didn't!
O: Yes I did!
M: You didn't!
O: I did!
M: You didn't!
O: I'm telling you, I did!
M: You did not!
O: Oh I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?
M: Ah! (taking out his wallet and paying) Just the five minutes.
O: Just the five minutes. Thank you.
O: Anyway, I did.
M: You most certainly did not!
O: Now let's get one thing quite clear: I most definitely told you!
M: Oh no you didn't!
O: Oh yes I did!
M: Oh no you didn't!
O: Oh yes I did!
M: Oh no you didn't!
O: Oh yes I did!
M: Oh no you didn't!
O: Oh yes I did!
M: Oh no you didn't!
O: Oh yes I did!
M: Oh no you didn't!
O: Oh yes I did!
M: No you DIDN'T!
O: Oh yes I did!
M: No you DIDN'T!
O: Oh yes I did!
M: No you DIDN'T!
O: Oh yes I did!
M: Oh look, this isn't an argument!
(pause)
O: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
(pause)
M: It's just contradiction!
O: No it isn't!
M: It IS!
O: It is NOT!
M: You just contradicted me!
O: No I didn't!
M: You DID!
O: No no no!
M: You did just then!
O: Nonsense!
M: (exasperated) Oh, this is futile!!
(pause)
O: No it isn't!
M: Yes it is!
(pause)
M: I came here for a good argument!
O: AH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
O: Well! it CAN be!
M: No it can't!
M: An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
O: No it isn't!
M: Yes it is! 'tisn't just contradiction.
O: Look, if I *argue* with you, I must take up a contrary position!
M: Yes but it isn't just saying 'no it isn't'.
O: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
O: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
O: Yes it is!
M: No it ISN'T! Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.
O: It is NOT!
M: It is!
O: Not at all!
M: It is!
(The Arguer hits a bell on his desk and stops.)
O: Thank you, that's it.
M: (stunned) What?
O: That's it. Good morning.
M: But I was just getting interested!
O: I'm sorry, the five minutes is up.
M: That was never five minutes just now!!
O: I'm afraid it was.
M: (leading on) No it wasn't.....
O: I'm sorry, I'm not allowed to argue any more.
M: WHAT??
O: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
M: But that was never five minutes just now!
Oh Come on!
Oh this is...
This is ridiculous!
O: I told you... I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you PAY!
M: Oh all right. (takes out his wallet and pays again.) There you are.
O: Thank you.
M: (clears throat) Well...
O: Well WHAT?
M: That was never five minutes just now.
O: I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!
M: Well I just paid!
O: No you didn't!
M: I DID!!!
O: YOU didn't!
M: I DID!!!
O: YOU didn't!
M: I DID!!!
O: YOU didn't!
M: I DID!!!
O: YOU didn't!
M: I don't want to argue about it!
O: Well I'm very sorry but you didn't pay!
M: Ah hah! Well if I didn't pay, why are you arguing??? Ah HAAAAAAHHH! Gotcha!
O: No you haven't!
M: Yes I have! If you're arguing, I must have paid.
O: Not necessarily. I *could* be arguing in my spare time.
M: I've had enough of this!
O: No you haven't.
M: Oh shut up!
By the way, Lewis is definitely the best British driver this century, apart from maybe Jenson in 2009
rdjohn said:
By the way, Lewis is definitely the best British driver this century, apart from maybe Jenson in 2009
Ah, but Jenson out-pointed him in 2011...and out-pointed him in the three years they were team mates in total, so Jenson is most definitely the best British driver of this century.On a management course we were split into groups to work out who was better: Isambard Kingdom Brunel or Shakespeare.
The lesson was on assessing staff, so we started with some restrictions, but it was good fun and quite useful
We came to three conclusions: 1/ IK Brunel had the most impressive name, 2/ his surname should have had two Ns to make rhyming easier and 3/ comparisons where there are too many variables are rather pointless. Best is a nonsense word in such cases. We needed something more restrictive. Whose contribution to Britain was financially greater? Who made fewer errors? Who built the longest boat? Unless specifics were mentioned, the exercise was pointless.
But for F1 drivers, the most successful, the highest points scorers, the most overtakes, the greatest fun to watch and such can be answered. Best cannot.
The lesson was on assessing staff, so we started with some restrictions, but it was good fun and quite useful
We came to three conclusions: 1/ IK Brunel had the most impressive name, 2/ his surname should have had two Ns to make rhyming easier and 3/ comparisons where there are too many variables are rather pointless. Best is a nonsense word in such cases. We needed something more restrictive. Whose contribution to Britain was financially greater? Who made fewer errors? Who built the longest boat? Unless specifics were mentioned, the exercise was pointless.
But for F1 drivers, the most successful, the highest points scorers, the most overtakes, the greatest fun to watch and such can be answered. Best cannot.
mattyn1 said:
Dr Z said:
Ah, but Jenson out-pointed him in 2011...and out-pointed him in the three years they were team mates in total, so Jenson is most definitely the best British driver of this century.
No he isn't. 
I'm here for an argument.
Some topics for this thread:
Hamilton will have won the 2017 title in a Ferrari.
Alonso will win the 2018 title in a Ferrari.
Karun Chandhok will have won four titles in a 2010-2013 Red Bull.
Alonso is a toxic driver and involves himself in team politics, so he can't be one of the best drivers ever.
[insert driver] didn't deserve the [insert year] title.
Karun Chandhok's grandma would have won titles in a 2014-2016 Mercedes
Hamilton is a better driver than Alonso, and vice versa.
Alonso will wipe the floor with Hamilton in the 2017/2018 Mercedes.
Ricciardo will wipe the floor with Vettel in a 2017/2018 Ferrari, especially because he beat him in a 2014 Red Bull.
Any more?
Dr Z said:
Yes, he is!
I'm here for an argument.
Some topics for this thread:
Hamilton will have won the 2017 title in a Ferrari.
Alonso will win the 2018 title in a Ferrari.
Karun Chandhok will have won four titles in a 2010-2013 Red Bull.
Alonso is a toxic driver and involves himself in team politics, so he can't be one of the best drivers ever.
[insert driver] didn't deserve the [insert year] title.
Karun Chandhok's grandma would have won titles in a 2014-2016 Mercedes
Hamilton is a better driver than Alonso, and vice versa.
Alonso will wipe the floor with Hamilton in the 2017/2018 Mercedes.
Ricciardo will wipe the floor with Vettel in a 2017/2018 Ferrari, especially because he beat him in a 2014 Red Bull.
Any more?
I agree!! I'm here for an argument.
Some topics for this thread:
Hamilton will have won the 2017 title in a Ferrari.
Alonso will win the 2018 title in a Ferrari.
Karun Chandhok will have won four titles in a 2010-2013 Red Bull.
Alonso is a toxic driver and involves himself in team politics, so he can't be one of the best drivers ever.
[insert driver] didn't deserve the [insert year] title.
Karun Chandhok's grandma would have won titles in a 2014-2016 Mercedes
Hamilton is a better driver than Alonso, and vice versa.
Alonso will wipe the floor with Hamilton in the 2017/2018 Mercedes.
Ricciardo will wipe the floor with Vettel in a 2017/2018 Ferrari, especially because he beat him in a 2014 Red Bull.
Any more?
Derek Smith said:
On a management course we were split into groups to work out who was better: Isambard Kingdom Brunel or Shakespeare.
The lesson was on assessing staff, so we started with some restrictions, but it was good fun and quite useful
We came to three conclusions: 1/ IK Brunel had the most impressive name, 2/ his surname should have had two Ns to make rhyming easier and 3/ comparisons where there are too many variables are rather pointless. Best is a nonsense word in such cases. We needed something more restrictive. Whose contribution to Britain was financially greater? Who made fewer errors? Who built the longest boat? Unless specifics were mentioned, the exercise was pointless.
But for F1 drivers, the most successful, the highest points scorers, the most overtakes, the greatest fun to watch and such can be answered. Best cannot.
Brunel wrote boring plays and Shakespeare's bridges were sThe lesson was on assessing staff, so we started with some restrictions, but it was good fun and quite useful
We came to three conclusions: 1/ IK Brunel had the most impressive name, 2/ his surname should have had two Ns to make rhyming easier and 3/ comparisons where there are too many variables are rather pointless. Best is a nonsense word in such cases. We needed something more restrictive. Whose contribution to Britain was financially greater? Who made fewer errors? Who built the longest boat? Unless specifics were mentioned, the exercise was pointless.
But for F1 drivers, the most successful, the highest points scorers, the most overtakes, the greatest fun to watch and such can be answered. Best cannot.
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