Drivers Giving Up

[The Moose]

I know Stroll has received some stick for wanting to give up at Monaco.

I am actually surprised we haven’t seen more teams/drivers wanting to give up.

With the rules of how long an engine must now last, I am surprised we aren’t seeing this more and more to preserve components.

Anyone else agree?

[CocoUK]

Not surprised in the slightest - sponsors.

[RB Will]

I was a bit disappointed with Hamilton giving up his persuit of Danny this weekend with a lap or so to go

[Zarco]

Alonso certainly did once or twice when he had enough driving a Honda.

[Mr_Thyroid]

RB Will said:

I was a bit disappointed with Hamilton giving up his persuit of Danny this weekend with a lap or so to go

On radio 5's Chequered Flag podcast they were applauding Hamilton saying he was given the option of turning down his engine to guarantee finishing but they said he opted to keep pushing until the very end.

[toastyhamster]

Isn't there a rule saying they can't retire a healthy car? I guess you mean giving up in the sense of not pushing, preserving components/tyres - so they all did at Monaco then!

[RB Will]

Mr_Thyroid said:

RB Will said:

I was a bit disappointed with Hamilton giving up his persuit of Danny this weekend with a lap or so to go

On radio 5's Chequered Flag podcast they were applauding Hamilton saying he was given the option of turning down his engine to guarantee finishing but they said he opted to keep pushing until the very end.

Did I miss him ballsing up somewhere then? I’m sure he was going round well inside DRS for laps but finished 3-4 secs back

[37chevy]

RB Will said:

Did I miss him ballsing up somewhere then? I’m sure he was going round well inside DRS for laps but finished 3-4 secs back

You probably missed his tyres or engine cooking after putting in so many fast laps within a second of a hot car infront...

[S0 What]

Mr_Thyroid said:

RB Will said:

I was a bit disappointed with Hamilton giving up his persuit of Danny this weekend with a lap or so to go

On radio 5's Chequered Flag podcast they were applauding Hamilton saying he was given the option of turning down his engine to guarantee finishing but they said he opted to keep pushing until the very end.

it was on sky as well, no idea if the radio chat was on C4? i didn't watch the race highlights on there, IIRC he was instructed to turn the PU down and replyed that he really wanted the place and wouldn't turn it down.

[Kraken]

There used to be a reasonable amount of stopping with a few laps to go to avoid gearbox penalties at future races. Not sure if the rules have changed as that doesn't seem to happen now.

[sgtBerbatov]

toastyhamster said:

Isn't there a rule saying they can't retire a healthy car? I guess you mean giving up in the sense of not pushing, preserving components/tyres - so they all did at Monaco then!

I don't think there's a rule for that. Unless it's something that came from Arrows doing one lap each of the cars at the French GP to avoid being kicked out of the championship when they had no money?

[cuprabob]

S0 What said:

Mr_Thyroid said:

RB Will said:

I was a bit disappointed with Hamilton giving up his persuit of Danny this weekend with a lap or so to go

On radio 5's Chequered Flag podcast they were applauding Hamilton saying he was given the option of turning down his engine to guarantee finishing but they said he opted to keep pushing until the very end.

it was on sky as well, no idea if the radio chat was on C4? i didn't watch the race highlights on there, IIRC he was instructed to turn the PU down and replyed that he really wanted the place and wouldn't turn it down.

It was also on the C4 highlights programme.

[thegreenhell]

Kraken said:

There used to be a reasonable amount of stopping with a few laps to go to avoid gearbox penalties at future races. Not sure if the rules have changed as that doesn't seem to happen now.

There is now a rule that allows them a free gearbox change for the next race only if they retire the car for reasons 'beyond the control of the team or driver'. They can't just retire a healthy car to avoid a gearbox change penalty anymore.

[MB140]

I’ve often wondered this.

Drivers going round in positions say lower than 15th with no chance of getting any points and literally no tv coverage because there tootling around on there own.

Why wouldn’t they just pull the car in, save the engine and gearbox. Makes perfect sense. Means you can push harder for longer at another race when there is a chance of points rather than just making up the numbers.

[Paul578]

I believe its for WCC ranking position when considering count back in the case where teams are tied on points.
Was this not the case for Manor a few years ago when they claimed 10th place and the prize money over Caterham?

[geeks]

They aren't allowed to retire a healthy car but they can invent some amazing reasons to retire a car, I think they retired Perez (might have been Alonso) for a "loose seat" a season or two ago. I would imagine there are all kinds of sensor failures etc that mean you could realistically retire a car in a race for reason beyond the drivers control and I am sure all teams have a backup scenario to cater for this if the need arises!

[HustleRussell]

cuprabob said:

S0 What said:

Mr_Thyroid said:

RB Will said:

I was a bit disappointed with Hamilton giving up his persuit of Danny this weekend with a lap or so to go

On radio 5's Chequered Flag podcast they were applauding Hamilton saying he was given the option of turning down his engine to guarantee finishing but they said he opted to keep pushing until the very end.

it was on sky as well, no idea if the radio chat was on C4? i didn't watch the race highlights on there, IIRC he was instructed to turn the PU down and replyed that he really wanted the place and wouldn't turn it down.

It was also on the C4 highlights programme.

Hamilton kept up the assault for several laps after Bono suggested that he stop pushing and conserved his engine. Ultimately he relented. Similarly we know that Bottas was going great guns in the pursuit of Vettel judging by his mistake at turn 1 and the fact that he nearly ran out of fuel.

Once again it looked as though the Ferrari was simply the better car this weekend, although we'll never know for sure with Hamilton's bird-affected qualifying and cooling troubles in the race.

[Vaud]

geeks said:

They aren't allowed to retire a healthy car but they can invent some amazing reasons to retire a car, I think they retired Perez (might have been Alonso) for a "loose seat" a season or two ago. I would imagine there are all kinds of sensor failures etc that mean you could realistically retire a car in a race for reason beyond the drivers control and I am sure all teams have a backup scenario to cater for this if the need arises!

They can just retire a healthy car with a "sick" driver. Felt nauseous, stomach bug, etc

[Dermot O'Logical]

I can recall Nigel Mansell parking a recalcitrant McLaren and walking away from it.

From memory it was 1995, and the car had a high-level wing on the airbox. I can only imagine the subsequent conversation with Ron.