Williams to offer Stroll new contract
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He's been "living up to expectations" according to Williams.
I suppose if the only expectation you had of the driver was for them to keep paying the bills and they don't miss a payment, then yeah he's managed to meet that expectation.
He's been "living up to expectations" according to Williams.
I suppose if the only expectation you had of the driver was for them to keep paying the bills and they don't miss a payment, then yeah he's managed to meet that expectation.
thegreenhell said:
This week's Missed Apex podcast had some very interesting views on the Williams drivers. Not very complimentary at all about either of them.
I think they were a bit harsh about Sirotkin to be honest, debut year in a true s
t show of a car he’s doing a decent job. I’d like to see him in something like a Force India, don’t think he’d do a bad job to be honest. That said as entertaining as Missed Apex can be they do waffle some s
t at times. Usually when Jake Sanson (not sure that’s spelt right, not really bothered 
) is on it with his stupid over the top laugh and something only he thinks is funny. DanielSan said:
thegreenhell said:
This week's Missed Apex podcast had some very interesting views on the Williams drivers. Not very complimentary at all about either of them.
I think they were a bit harsh about Sirotkin to be honest, debut year in a true st show of a car he’s doing a decent job. I’d like to see him in something like a Force India, don’t think he’d do a bad job to be honest. That said as entertaining as Missed Apex can be they do waffle some s
t at times. Usually when Jake Sanson (not sure that’s spelt right, not really bothered ) is on it with his stupid over the top laugh and something only he thinks is funny. Then again, he was never a really brightly burning star.
DanielSan said:
thegreenhell said:
This week's Missed Apex podcast had some very interesting views on the Williams drivers. Not very complimentary at all about either of them.
I think they were a bit harsh about Sirotkin to be honest, debut year in a true st show of a car he’s doing a decent job. I’d like to see him in something like a Force India, don’t think he’d do a bad job to be honest. That said as entertaining as Missed Apex can be they do waffle some s
t at times. Usually when Jake Sanson (not sure that’s spelt right, not really bothered ) is on it with his stupid over the top laugh and something only he thinks is funny. I listen to Missed Apex regularly now and find all of the regulars excellent but Jake rubbed me up the wrong way, he even said at one point "I try to be a bit 'out there' in podcasts"... If you're a subject matter expert on a podcast like this you are supposed to inform the listener first and foremost and entertain if you are able, not wear a silly hat and say silly things in the hope of entertaining people while clouding the factual content with hyperbole.
HustleRussell said:
As for "Living up to expectations"...
I suppose if Williams expected an entitled little bh then they got exactly what they expected.
Honestly just lose the will with Williams.I suppose if Williams expected an entitled little b
h then they got exactly what they expected. Is Frank still running things or Claire?
Things just seem to be going down the toilet
To offer Stroll another contract is just purely money.
But if he is paying for his drive but the team with the two paid drivers are still last in the constructors how is this going to be good long term?
Losing constructor points will cost much more than what Daddy Stroll will be paying.
Williams should be looking at what the drivers market is doing and jumping if a experienced driver appears from a bigger team.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 7th June 14:59
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Williams should be looking at what the drivers market is doing and jumping if a experienced driver appears from a bigger team.
The problem they have now is that no decent driver would want to drive for them. They've set their stall out as a home for young pay drivers, not as a hungry, competitive team. Their main hope now is to use that money ride out the current rules cycle, and hope the next rules shakeup allows them to progress up the grid again. Sadly, it's hard to take them seriously at the moment.thegreenhell said:
Their main hope now is to use that money ride out the current rules cycle, and hope the next rules shakeup allows them to progress up the grid again. Sadly, it's hard to take them seriously at the moment.
Reading between the lines of recent interviews that's basically what they're doing.thegreenhell said:
The problem they have now is that no decent driver would want to drive for them. They've set their stall out as a home for young pay drivers, not as a hungry, competitive team. Their main hope now is to use that money ride out the current rules cycle, and hope the next rules shakeup allows them to progress up the grid again. Sadly, it's hard to take them seriously at the moment.
That seems a spot on assessment.thegreenhell said:
Their main hope now is to use that money ride out the current rules cycle, and hope the next rules shakeup allows them to progress up the grid again.
People suggest that Williams reached a high in 2014 and have now slumped to a level similar to their later V8 era form. My view is more pessimistic; Williams have consistently underachieved and it was only the massive advantage of having a Mercedes PU in 2014 which created the illusion of a return to form. I really hope that this period is all part of a grand plan where Williams ensure the financial security of the team, build up a war chest and work on their internal structure and talent, ready to steal a march on the next regulations change.
They did show some ambition with the 2018 car but unfortunately it really hasn’t paid off. Like Sauber they appear to have built a car which doesn’t like cornering at speed. In my opinion they are bound to improve it over the season and later profit from reliability… but they don’t seem to have the driver talent to outperform the car.
HustleRussell said:
Jake was very critical of Sirotkin wasn't he, said something along the lines of "Sirotkin doesn't know what he's had for breakfast let alone what he's doing in an F1 car"... spectacularly wide of the mark in my opinion, everyone else who has talked about Sirotkin has praised his technical understanding and hard working approach. Jake's comments were especially baffling given that the podcast was recorded in the aftermath of the Monaco Grand Prix where Sirotkin looked every bit the grand prix driver. I'm not even going to bother contrasting Sirotkin's Monaco performance against Stroll's.
I listen to Missed Apex regularly now and find all of the regulars excellent but Jake rubbed me up the wrong way, he even said at one point "I try to be a bit 'out there' in podcasts"... If you're a subject matter expert on a podcast like this you are supposed to inform the listener first and foremost and entertain if you are able, not wear a silly hat and say silly things in the hope of entertaining people while clouding the factual content with hyperbole.
It seems to be the ‘style’ he chooses when dong them, I tried listening to the Pit Bored one he does with a few random people, given 3 or 4 shows now and I just find it annoying. The guests all seem to be between the ages of 20-25 and have no real knowledge of what they’re taking about. Despite sounding like a miserable old bI listen to Missed Apex regularly now and find all of the regulars excellent but Jake rubbed me up the wrong way, he even said at one point "I try to be a bit 'out there' in podcasts"... If you're a subject matter expert on a podcast like this you are supposed to inform the listener first and foremost and entertain if you are able, not wear a silly hat and say silly things in the hope of entertaining people while clouding the factual content with hyperbole.
d I’m only 32, I just find him quite frankly a bit st and massively OTT for no reason. When you try and open a podcast with a joke about Thomas Enge’s drug charge then pretend to be shocked about the fact ‘you went there’ the only place you’ve gone to is that of a massive . It’s an old story at best, and not that interesting when it was current. REALIST123 said:
I think Sirotkin’s problem is that everyone expects him, reasonably, to hammer Stroll and though he’s generally looked better he hasn’t really done that.
Then again, he was never a really brightly burning star.
True but the same was expected if LeClerc and he hasn’t managed to beat Ericsson in the manner expected until the last 2 races and the Sauber doesn’t seem to be too bad a car. Sirotkin has the double challenge of learning F1 and being hampered by the Williams, I think from here onwards he’ll start beating Stroll regularly, further proving that Stroll isn’t at Williams because he has a chunk of talent and cash. Then again, he was never a really brightly burning star.
thegreenhell said:
The problem they have now is that no decent driver would want to drive for them. They've set their stall out as a home for young pay drivers, not as a hungry, competitive team. Their main hope now is to use that money ride out the current rules cycle, and hope the next rules shakeup allows them to progress up the grid again. Sadly, it's hard to take them seriously at the moment.
Disagree. Main problem they have is they can't consistantly make a strong midfield car. Heads have rolled due to this year's crap car.It's the chicken or egg scenario but IMHO pay drivers shouldn't detract from a team that consists of talented staff - various iterations of Lotus/Renault is a good example.
DanielSan said:
Sirotkin has the double challenge of learning F1 and being hampered by the Williams.
The Williams isn't just slow, by all accounts it's horribly inconsistant and hence a complete pig to drive. It's very hard to know how he'd perform in a car with a reasonably consistant level of downforce. Right now, I think Williams need the money more than a good driver anyway - even the best driver isn't going to be able to get much out of a car which loses half its rear-end downforce as soon as you turn the front wheels. Given that they've said there's no easy fix for the diffuser stall, one has to imagine that they're focussing fairly hard on next year's car already?
Edited by kambites on Thursday 7th June 17:58
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