Horner: Just when I think he's stopped whining........
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http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11304702/re...
Someone else has a toy he wants, but hasn't got, so time to whine about it.
Like Renault don't have how many engine modes available?
Just when I think he's started to stop being a spoilt baby, toys go out of the pram and it's back to the old Horner we all know and love.
There's absolutely nothing illegal about engine modes, every engine has them, all teams use them - the fact that occasionally Merc runs theirs "at 11" and take a risk with longevity, plus give it a silly name (which has probably stuck, imbibing F1 with an ever increasing rush to the lowest common denominator factor) is his problem and only his.
Someone else has a toy he wants, but hasn't got, so time to whine about it.
Like Renault don't have how many engine modes available?
Just when I think he's started to stop being a spoilt baby, toys go out of the pram and it's back to the old Horner we all know and love.
There's absolutely nothing illegal about engine modes, every engine has them, all teams use them - the fact that occasionally Merc runs theirs "at 11" and take a risk with longevity, plus give it a silly name (which has probably stuck, imbibing F1 with an ever increasing rush to the lowest common denominator factor) is his problem and only his.
Of course they've got a party mode, every engine manufacturer will strive to have something its just mercs has always been the best during the hybrid era. Andy Cowell said before the season started its all too easy when in the search for reliability you turn down the power or the engine mode, but we didn't think like that, over the winter we went away with a clear goal which was better reliability with an even stronger modes and I'm proud of the team for achieving that.
In a seperate article Lewis' response after testing was that it was the most powerful mode he's ever had. In a further interview some time after he was clearly beaming with joy, you could tell in his mannerisms, he said he was looking forward to Oz where he was going to (my words now as i can't remember exactly) mean business and tear everybody a new asshole. You could just sence how confident he was that the merc was going to be untouchable in Oz, in later interviews he dumbed the engine mode down, Totto denied having one, Lewis said they didn't know where they stood against Ferrari blah blah blah, and then he turned up and played with the rest of the field in practice 1 and 2, 3 was raining and he had a steering wheel issue, and qualifying no one could get near him.
Like Helmut Marko said, Mercedes are playing with us, if we get too close they just turn the mode up
In a seperate article Lewis' response after testing was that it was the most powerful mode he's ever had. In a further interview some time after he was clearly beaming with joy, you could tell in his mannerisms, he said he was looking forward to Oz where he was going to (my words now as i can't remember exactly) mean business and tear everybody a new asshole. You could just sence how confident he was that the merc was going to be untouchable in Oz, in later interviews he dumbed the engine mode down, Totto denied having one, Lewis said they didn't know where they stood against Ferrari blah blah blah, and then he turned up and played with the rest of the field in practice 1 and 2, 3 was raining and he had a steering wheel issue, and qualifying no one could get near him.
Like Helmut Marko said, Mercedes are playing with us, if we get too close they just turn the mode up
Doink said:
Of course they've got a party mode, every engine manufacturer will strive to have something its just mercs has always been the best during the hybrid era. Andy Cowell said before the season started its all too easy when in the search for reliability you turn down the power or the engine mode, but we didn't think like that, over the winter we went away with a clear goal which was better reliability with an even stronger modes and I'm proud of the team for achieving that.
In a seperate article Lewis' response after testing was that it was the most powerful mode he's ever had. In a further interview some time after he was clearly beaming with joy, you could tell in his mannerisms, he said he was looking forward to Oz where he was going to (my words now as i can't remember exactly) mean business and tear everybody a new asshole. You could just sence how confident he was that the merc was going to be untouchable in Oz, in later interviews he dumbed the engine mode down, Totto denied having one, Lewis said they didn't know where they stood against Ferrari blah blah blah, and then he turned up and played with the rest of the field in practice 1 and 2, 3 was raining and he had a steering wheel issue, and qualifying no one could get near him.
Like Helmut Marko said, Mercedes are playing with us, if we get too close they just turn the mode up
But I thought Lewis wanted a level playing field? In a seperate article Lewis' response after testing was that it was the most powerful mode he's ever had. In a further interview some time after he was clearly beaming with joy, you could tell in his mannerisms, he said he was looking forward to Oz where he was going to (my words now as i can't remember exactly) mean business and tear everybody a new asshole. You could just sence how confident he was that the merc was going to be untouchable in Oz, in later interviews he dumbed the engine mode down, Totto denied having one, Lewis said they didn't know where they stood against Ferrari blah blah blah, and then he turned up and played with the rest of the field in practice 1 and 2, 3 was raining and he had a steering wheel issue, and qualifying no one could get near him.
Like Helmut Marko said, Mercedes are playing with us, if we get too close they just turn the mode up
“The closer it is, the better it is when you win. You want the guys you are racing to have a level playing field that you can really show that there are only small differences between us as drivers, and you want to be able to show that. It’s magnified if the cars are all the same.”
I guess he wants all the cars to be equal but some to be more equal than others........
AndStilliRise said:
Horner I believe did/does have a racing background. I think he is one of the fastest around Daytona MK IIRC. So his spirited outbursts have probably been fueled by that.
He made it up to F3 in single seaters I believe before switching to management.FWIW I think he has a point as the rules stand in F1 currently. Much as I like the idea of turn the wick up to 1500bhp for quali, if all other set up parameters are set for the race why not engine mode too?
Zarco said:
AndStilliRise said:
Horner I believe did/does have a racing background. I think he is one of the fastest around Daytona MK IIRC. So his spirited outbursts have probably been fueled by that.
He made it up to F3 in single seaters I believe before switching to management.FWIW I think he has a point as the rules stand in F1 currently. Much as I like the idea of turn the wick up to 1500bhp for quali, if all other set up parameters are set for the race why not engine mode too?
He’s no mug. I watched him race karts for charity a number of years ago, against the likes of Button, Davidson, Herbert, McNish and so on. He acquitted himself quite well.
And he does have a point, given the other restrictions.
When C4 did a side by side comparison between Kimi’s and Lewis’s qually lap, the Ferrari was faster on the straights and all the Merc time was made up on the corners. We don’t know what aero drag each car produces, but to my mind, fastest on straights suggests a PU power advantage.
I think that Lewis’s lap was as near-perfect as could be achieved.
If there was an advantage in Lewis’s software that did not exist on the Williams and FI cars, I am certain that the FIA would be on to it.
But conspiracy theories abound, these days.
I think that Lewis’s lap was as near-perfect as could be achieved.
If there was an advantage in Lewis’s software that did not exist on the Williams and FI cars, I am certain that the FIA would be on to it.
But conspiracy theories abound, these days.
He might have a point but it was ok to have modes when HIS team were winning, clever renault engine mapping for off throttle blowing didn't matter and it was for the 'other teams to do a better job'. In any case with the amount of switches and button pressing needing to be done nowadays how would/could you police it
He's upset. His team isn't doing as well as it should do. Other teams have better engines. I'd moan in the hope that the legislators might do something to equalise the performance. It's happened before.
Mind you, I hope he is successful in his aims and we do get RB up as challengers for the top step. The fact that he's changed his tune from when his team were dominant is rather satisfying, the biter bit and all that, but he might have a point.
Even if he hasn't, I'd like to see Ricc and Max mixing it a bit more.
Mind you, I hope he is successful in his aims and we do get RB up as challengers for the top step. The fact that he's changed his tune from when his team were dominant is rather satisfying, the biter bit and all that, but he might have a point.
Even if he hasn't, I'd like to see Ricc and Max mixing it a bit more.
Kraken said:
It's quite telling that Renault are querying why even the latest oil usage regulations allow for burning six times the amount of oil their engine uses in a race...
Why did Renault not maximise the use of the regulations then? They knew about oil burning at least a year ago.Mercedes have a simple strategy - annexe the front row of the grid, and control the race.
And the way to do this is to give the drivers a power boost in Q3. The car is designed to run in clear air, and if it's in front it has a big advantage. If for any reason it's in traffic, running in turbulent air, it's no faster than any other car in the field, with one or two exceptions, as we saw during the Australian Grand Prix, where Bottas couldn't escape from the pack and finished eighth, and Hamilton couldn't pass Vettel.
I think that making the cars qualify on their race engine mode would be an excellent (and easily policed) way to reduce Mercedes' advantage, mix up the grid, provide more variety and better racing.
And the way to do this is to give the drivers a power boost in Q3. The car is designed to run in clear air, and if it's in front it has a big advantage. If for any reason it's in traffic, running in turbulent air, it's no faster than any other car in the field, with one or two exceptions, as we saw during the Australian Grand Prix, where Bottas couldn't escape from the pack and finished eighth, and Hamilton couldn't pass Vettel.
I think that making the cars qualify on their race engine mode would be an excellent (and easily policed) way to reduce Mercedes' advantage, mix up the grid, provide more variety and better racing.
Dermot O'Logical said:
I think that making the cars qualify on their race engine mode would be an excellent (and easily policed) way to reduce Mercedes' advantage, mix up the grid, provide more variety and better racing.
I don't think so - phenomenally difficult to police - the cars already have any number of engine modes for during the race - how could you separate / police "qualifying mode" from "race modes" using the same switches? You would have to have just one setting, rendering the whole thing redundant.At all times Merc are complying with fuel flow rate limitations - how could you stop them managing their engine how they wish?
Plus, as stated above - everyone else is obliged to do better, not whine about it like little babies.
Whether I like it or not, whether it makes good racing or not, whether anyone else (Horner) agrees - all irrelevant, unless LM / FIA change the rules to enforceable ones.
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