FIA: Ferrari International Assistance... true all along !?

FIA: Ferrari International Assistance... true all along !?

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LDN

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8,974 posts

209 months

Saturday 28th October 2017
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Bernie just came out and made a rather strange and revealing statement...

http://autoweek.com/article/formula-one/bernie-ecc...

In brief:

"The teams are important to F1, but Ferrari is more than that. So many things have been done over the years that have helped Ferrari to win."

HedgeyGedgey

1,291 posts

100 months

Saturday 28th October 2017
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Just posted in the Mexico gp thread. I think its quite obvious in the Ecclestone era of f1 it was corrupt af. Just my opinion of course

LDN

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8,974 posts

209 months

Saturday 28th October 2017
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HedgeyGedgey said:
Just posted in the Mexico gp thread. I think its quite obvious in the Ecclestone era of f1 it was corrupt af. Just my opinion of course
Ah; apologies; I hadn't seen it posted... I think it deserves its own thread though - as it's quite some statement!

_Leg_

2,824 posts

217 months

Saturday 28th October 2017
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Fairly obvious Ferrari have always had a big influence. Ive read both a history of the company and also a couple of biographies of Enzo and it comes across even way back in the Alfa days that he was pressuring everyone involved to see things his way.

Having said that, Bernie hasn't had any attention for a bit so it's no surprise that he's coming out with headline making, attention seeking, comments.

LDN

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Saturday 28th October 2017
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_Leg_ said:
Fairly obvious Ferrari have always had a big influence. Ive read both a history of the company and also a couple of biographies of Enzo and it comes across even way back in the Alfa days that he was pressuring everyone involved to see things his way.

Having said that, Bernie hasn't had any attention for a bit so it's no surprise that he's coming out with headline making, attention seeking, comments.
I agree; but surely this statement is a big deal. Basically saying that for years; Ferrari were helped in one way or another...

_Leg_

2,824 posts

217 months

Saturday 28th October 2017
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LDN said:
_Leg_ said:
Fairly obvious Ferrari have always had a big influence. Ive read both a history of the company and also a couple of biographies of Enzo and it comes across even way back in the Alfa days that he was pressuring everyone involved to see things his way.

Having said that, Bernie hasn't had any attention for a bit so it's no surprise that he's coming out with headline making, attention seeking, comments.
I agree; but surely this statement is a big deal. Basically saying that for years; Ferrari were helped in one way or another...
It would be if anyone actually gave a toss what the ex boss said, if there was any evidence and if it was in the least bit a surprise.

Derek Smith

46,331 posts

254 months

Saturday 28th October 2017
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LDN said:
I agree; but surely this statement is a big deal. Basically saying that for years; Ferrari were helped in one way or another...
Is it much of a surprise? Both Bernie and his little me admitted as such a number of times. The concord agreement was the realisation of it.


cuprabob

15,431 posts

220 months

Saturday 28th October 2017
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It's no secret Ferrari have been "helped" over the years, starting off with them getting the largest share of the cash irrespective of WCC position.

This is just the Poison Dwarf trying to cause mischief for the new owners.

williamp

19,491 posts

279 months

Saturday 28th October 2017
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yes, hes just causing mischeif. Despite strong evidence there is no proof, and the only people who might know will never tell, so we'll never know the truth

Clockwork Cupcake

75,705 posts

278 months

Saturday 28th October 2017
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HedgeyGedgey said:
Just posted in the Mexico gp thread. I think its quite obvious in the Ecclestone era of f1 it was corrupt af. Just my opinion of course
It's a big enough bombshell that it deserved its own thread.

It's a very serious allegation - it's effectively an admission that the FIA and FOM were corrupt.

Peronally I agree that it's Bernie just getting up to mischief, and that he's feeling bored and irrelevant on his birthday. But I hope he cleared it with his lawyers first because this is massive.

Doink

1,655 posts

153 months

Saturday 28th October 2017
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I notice he stopped short of giving examples though

_Leg_

2,824 posts

217 months

Saturday 28th October 2017
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Clockwork Cupcake said:
It's a very serious allegation - it's effectively an <<admission>> allegation that the FIA and FOM were corrupt.
Sorted that for you. Can't be an admission as the FIA and FOM didn't say it.

Clockwork Cupcake

75,705 posts

278 months

Saturday 28th October 2017
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_Leg_ said:
Sorted that for you. Can't be an admission as the FIA and FOM didn't say it.
Yes, sorry. From a legal point of view it was indeed only an allegation. But colloquially it was a personal admission. But I do take your point.

_Leg_

2,824 posts

217 months

Saturday 28th October 2017
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Clockwork Cupcake said:
_Leg_ said:
Sorted that for you. Can't be an admission as the FIA and FOM didn't say it.
Yes, sorry. From a legal point of view it was indeed only an allegation. But colloquially it was a personal admission. But I do take your point.
I'm stuck watching Strictly with the Mrs. Desperate for any type of car related conversation so being pedantic. ;-)

Clockwork Cupcake

75,705 posts

278 months

Saturday 28th October 2017
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_Leg_ said:
I'm stuck watching Strictly with the Mrs. Desperate for any type of car related conversation so being pedantic. ;-)
No, no, it was a very valid point.

FeelingLucky

1,113 posts

170 months

Sunday 29th October 2017
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Is it really a bombshell?

It's been there for all to see for years.
This is no more a surprise than Sepp Blatter/ FIFA corruption.

LDN

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209 months

Sunday 29th October 2017
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FeelingLucky said:
Is it really a bombshell?

It's been there for all to see for years.
This is no more a surprise than Sepp Blatter/ FIFA corruption.
Perhaps it's not so much what has been admitted but the admission / allegation itself. It is quite a big deal IMO. Something that will surely be looked at more.

Chrisgr31

13,672 posts

261 months

Sunday 29th October 2017
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Who cares? All he is doing is stirring the pot and causing trouble for the new owners. Not sure its different to te articles Christain Syltt has been writing all year.

As Bernie has said it, its potentially not true or at least the truth is totally different to what people might read in to his comments.

Answer is do we really care what has happened in the past? F1 has new owners lets see what the future brings.

Derek Smith

46,331 posts

254 months

Sunday 29th October 2017
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Chrisgr31 said:
Who cares? All he is doing is stirring the pot and causing trouble for the new owners. Not sure its different to te articles Christain Syltt has been writing all year.

As Bernie has said it, its potentially not true or at least the truth is totally different to what people might read in to his comments.

Answer is do we really care what has happened in the past? F1 has new owners lets see what the future brings.
It's a good point. I've always thought that Ferrari enjoyed a preference from the legislators, but now Bernie has said it, I begin to doubt it is true.

What is remarkable is how infrequently Ferrari has made the best of its advantage. When they had their totally dominant years, they spent the money wisely, buying a good team, probably the best we've ever seen in F1. Before and since they've somehow managed to avoid enjoying superiority.

This has been one of their best years of recent times and the odd thing is that they are likely to reorganise their management, just as things are coming online.

They are the most popular team on the grid. The fans show a confidence in their ability that is a little touching, but with it goes an anticipation of success, one that has been thwarted recently.


gshughes

1,290 posts

261 months

Tuesday 31st October 2017
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I noticed that during one of Vettel's overtakes during the Mexico GP (can't remember on who, maybe Massa?) he had all four wheels off the track in getting past, but there wasn't even an investigation as far as I could see. More evidence of the FIA favouring Ferrari?