DRS

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anonymous-user

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60 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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Whether we like it or not DRS seems to be staying in F1.

One issue that has been on my mind is that because of the activation not being engaged until after the completion of the second full lap in a race the bigger and faster teams have already disappeared into a distance.

If we have to have DRS would it not be better to have the system activated after the first lap so that we could keep the field tighter?


Doink

1,655 posts

153 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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I think DRS should be linked to your annual budget, the less you have the longer you have it biggrin

DanielSan

19,094 posts

173 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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I'd make it a more tactical tool. You can use it twice a lap, but it's down to the drivers to decide where they can use it.

And if you're the car in front by less than a second you can use it once as a defence assistance to make sure the drivers have to work to get a move done.

stiII_I_undomyseatbelts

210 posts

84 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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They should make it same as the push to pass that Indycar use. You have a given number of seconds of PP per race, you can use it whenever/however (except for start) if you use it up too soon your loss. If you don't use it at all that means you didn't need it.

MartG

21,097 posts

210 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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stiII_I_undomyseatbelts said:
They should make it same as the push to pass that Indycar use. You have a given number of seconds of PP per race, you can use it whenever/however (except for start) if you use it up too soon your loss. If you don't use it at all that means you didn't need it.
yes

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

60 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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I think they should scrap the zones and just allow DRS if you are within one second of a car, let the driver choose when to use it.

They should also have active from aero, so when they get close in a corner they can trim in more front grip.

Mr Tidy

23,946 posts

133 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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jsf said:
I think they should scrap the zones and just allow DRS if you are within one second of a car, let the driver choose when to use it.

They should also have active from aero, so when they get close in a corner they can trim in more front grip.
I'd rather they scrapped DRS altogether - it's just pointless IMHO. If you can't keep up, you can't overtake!

Allegedly all this techno-wizardry is developed for the improvement of production cars - well I'm never going to need DRS on the roads I use!

And why are F1 still using such small wheels?

The latest Lexus LC500 comes with 21 inch rims - and that is a road car!

I can't seem to find a definitive answer but F1 seems to require much smaller rims than that - which doesn't exactly seem to be pushing the boundaries for a production car. laugh


KevinCamaroSS

12,055 posts

286 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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Mr Tidy said:
I'd rather they scrapped DRS altogether - it's just pointless IMHO. If you can't keep up, you can't overtake!

Allegedly all this techno-wizardry is developed for the improvement of production cars - well I'm never going to need DRS on the roads I use!

And why are F1 still using such small wheels?

The latest Lexus LC500 comes with 21 inch rims - and that is a road car!

I can't seem to find a definitive answer but F1 seems to require much smaller rims than that - which doesn't exactly seem to be pushing the boundaries for a production car. laugh
IIRC the tyre wall is used as part of the suspension system.

kambites

68,189 posts

227 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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The wheel size is enforced by the technical regs. If they were allowed to run bigger wheels they would (although probably still not as enormous as some road cars).

Active aero (which is what DRS basically is) is increasingly common on high-performance road cars. Either via selection by the driver or automatic depending on other factors.

Edited by kambites on Friday 27th October 11:04

HustleRussell

25,146 posts

166 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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I thought Ross Brawn was keen to get rid of DRS

thegreenhell

16,841 posts

225 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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They tried 18" wheels in a test a couple of years ago. They looked a bit odd, but like everything in F1 that looks odd when they first make a change, you'd soon get used to it, I think. Nothing about the way an F1 car looks is in any way 'normal', it's just about what you're used to seeing.

Chessers

745 posts

218 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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I thought the drivers said the larger wheels affected their vision.

MartG

21,097 posts

210 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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Chessers said:
I thought the drivers said the larger wheels affected their vision.
Formula E seem OK with 18" wheels

HustleRussell

25,146 posts

166 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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Chessers said:
I thought the drivers said the larger wheels affected their vision.
They looked at 18” wheels with lower profile tyres. The diameter of the wheel / tyre assembly would’ve been very similar or the same as that of the equivalent 13” wheel and tyre combo. The cars would be faster, like for like, with 18” wheels. The main problem with the big wheels is that they’d require all teams to develop entirely new suspension and it’d also effect aero etc so a big technical change. Interestingly, Michelin were interested in manufacturing F1 tyres again if a more up-to-date size was adopted and when this announcement was made it was shortly followed by a confirmation that 13” wheels would be retained and a multi-year contract extension with Pirelli was agreed. Blame Bernie I reckon.

HighwayStar

4,452 posts

150 months

Friday 27th October 2017
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The teams opposed moving to bigger wheels....
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/219829/1/teams-signal...

Mr Tidy

23,946 posts

133 months

Sunday 29th October 2017
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That's interesting, thanks. thumbup

I thought it might be useful - you could run much bigger brakes in bigger wheels!

But I can see their point about needing to redesign suspension assemblies.