Oil burn!

[tight fart]

Only F1 could come up with a super green engine formula where the engines also burn over 2 gallons of oil every 500 miles!
I guess it gives them another 5 litres of fuel per race.

[StevieBee]

What's 'green' about it? It's just about resource efficiency; more for less. Any environmental gain is a virtuous consequence.

[HustleRussell]

tight fart said:

Only F1 could come up with a super green engine formula where the engines also burn over 2 gallons of oil every 500 miles!
I guess it gives them another 5 litres of fuel per race.

Two things;
Firstly your sums are way off- the Mercedes which burns the most oil is in fact burning less than one gallon per 500 miles, and I am talking US gallons compared to your ambiguous metric- a US gallon being of course 20% smaller than a proper gallon.
Secondly I believe F1 PUs are getting on for 50% thermal efficiency which is pretty much unprecedented.
If you are trying to make an environmental case against F1 you do not need to try hard, look at the logistics and the number of sets of tyres used for a start.

[tight fart]

1.2L per 100km is 62 miles, ish
800 km is 500 miles, ish
8 x 1.2l = 9.6L
9.6L I is 2.1 imperial gal

How am I way off?

[HustleRussell]

By jove you're right and I am wrong, I had it in my head that the limit was 1.2l per race (now 0.9l) but since I've actually thought about it that'd be silly.

I'll now sit quietly.

(The efficiency of the engines is remarkable though)

[tight fart]

Are we sure they're not 2 strokes running 25.1 fuel mix?

[trickywoo]

tight fart said:

Are we sure they're not 2 strokes running 25.1 fuel mix?

Sounds like it. Some castor based two stroke would be pretty sweet.

[suffolk009]

The limits on oil consumption have only recently been applied.

IIRC they used to have a "reserve" tank of oil. I don't think that oil was even the same as the engine oil.

Remember how the Merc used to fart out a big puff of smoke on start up after it had been sitting a while? (I've had cars that do that too.

[768]

I particularly like how this now gives other teams a target to aim for now.

[Turkish91]

Maybe this is why my Astra Turbo is so fast

[Doink]

My insider actually two insiders who both work at HPP told me a year ago that they were injecting something into the combustion chamber and told me exactly what it was, think of airplanes........

[350Matt]

Avgas?

[CraigyMc]

Doink said:

My insider actually two insiders who both work at HPP told me a year ago that they were injecting something into the combustion chamber and told me exactly what it was, think of airplanes........

They were injecting fictional bullst, like your two friends.

[Doink]

CraigyMc said:

Doink said:

My insider actually two insiders who both work at HPP told me a year ago that they were injecting something into the combustion chamber and told me exactly what it was, think of airplanes........

They were injecting fictional bullst, like your two friends.

Are you sure, I'm assuming you also have inside info, of those friends as you put them one is actually my brother and he has no reason to lie, all he asked was not to blab it around the internet, this was a year ago, but it's common knowledge a year later merc were burning something, outsiders just don't know what

[sandman77]

Doink said:

.....but it's common knowledge a year later merc were burning something, outsiders just don't know what

Were? As in it is a thing of the past? Surely you can blab now then?

[Doink]

Like I said it's common knowledge they're burning something, most think it's oil but it's not, what isn't out there is what they're actually burning, I gave a bit of a clue earlier

[Markbarry1977]

Probably not avgas (that's high octane petrol), more likely avtur (kerosene like), wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't something like the castor/rapeseed oil that Virgin Atlantic had a jet engine running off though either.

[Doink]

Markbarry1977 said:

Probably not avgas (that's high octane petrol), more likely avtur (kerosene like), wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't something like the castor/rapeseed oil that Virgin Atlantic had a jet engine running off though either.

Well done!

[suffolk009]

Am I right in thinking this:
If you have an engine that can burn no more than 100L of fuel per race (now 105L, I think), and you have an additional tank with - say - 8 to 10L of mystery propellant in it (now about 3.5L), then your brilliant engine that you claim is approaching an unprecedented 50% thermal effeciency is doing absolutely no such thing.
I'm not an engineer, I don't understand how these numbers work.

[KevinCamaroSS]

Doink said:

Like I said it's common knowledge they're burning something, most think it's oil but it's not, what isn't out there is what they're actually burning, I gave a bit of a clue earlier

Are you seriously saying that Merc have been able to fool all the scrutineers at every race and have a 'secret' tank of kerosene or similar somewhere in the car? Seriously?