Interesting story from Alan Jones

Interesting story from Alan Jones

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MartG

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21,093 posts

210 months

Monday 7th August 2017
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Evilex

512 posts

110 months

Monday 7th August 2017
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That was an interesting read, and, assuming it to be true, quite an insight into the way F1 politics can work.

StevieBee

13,390 posts

261 months

Tuesday 8th August 2017
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For all his faults, Ecclestone certainly knew how to circumvent difficult things.

As an aside, I remember that Beatrice Lola well. They used to use the Ford test track at Boreham just north of Chelmsford and remember seeing Alan Jones strolling through Chelmsford High Street one lunchtime.

anonymous-user

60 months

Tuesday 8th August 2017
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StevieBee said:
For all his faults, Ecclestone certainly knew how to circumvent difficult things.
Actually, it was a pretty obvious way out. For the morally bereft.

Eric Mc

122,699 posts

271 months

Tuesday 8th August 2017
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That's what I thought.

StevieBee

13,390 posts

261 months

Tuesday 8th August 2017
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REALIST123 said:
StevieBee said:
For all his faults, Ecclestone certainly knew how to circumvent difficult things.
Actually, it was a pretty obvious way out. For the morally bereft.
Actually, thinking about it, that's probably right!

Mr Pointy

11,692 posts

165 months

Tuesday 8th August 2017
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StevieBee said:
REALIST123 said:
StevieBee said:
For all his faults, Ecclestone certainly knew how to circumvent difficult things.
Actually, it was a pretty obvious way out. For the morally bereft.
Actually, thinking about it, that's probably right!
And yet you happily continue to folllow a 'sport' that gladly invites someone who allows bombing of hospitals & children on to the podium to present the trophy to the winner?

If you all thought morals came into it you should stop following F1.

CanAm

9,882 posts

278 months

Tuesday 8th August 2017
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Why the need to get Bernie involved? The team could just have announced that Alan Jones had been struck down by a virus.
And why would Bernie give away a second stash of prize money for what was a purely internal matter for Beatrice?

FourWheelDrift

89,426 posts

290 months

Tuesday 8th August 2017
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Bernie and the South African grand prix.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/11/07/did-bernie-e...

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

230 months

Tuesday 8th August 2017
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StevieBee said:
For all his faults, Ecclestone certainly knew how to circumvent difficult things.

As an aside, I remember that Beatrice Lola well. They used to use the Ford test track at Boreham just north of Chelmsford and remember seeing Alan Jones strolling through Chelmsford High Street one lunchtime.
Dog of a chassis, criminal waste of reputedly the best turbo engine in the field.

coppice

8,851 posts

150 months

Wednesday 9th August 2017
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Much as I love the sport , Formula 1 lots its moral compass behind the sofa decades ago, if it ever had one to lose . Kyalami was a fixture every season until apartheid was finally abolished ,and I think we have had only two races there since.

And now we have Russia , that paragon of sporting excellence and decency .

And Dubai, where former driver, the late Mike Beuttler , would have been locked up for his sexual orientation , if someone didn't chuck him off a building first.

Or Baku , the race watched by up to two dozen locals and which , despite being east of Syria ,which was dubbed the European GP on its debut .

All thanks to the oxymoron that is (or thankfully was ) F1's 'benign dictator '

StevieBee

13,390 posts

261 months

Wednesday 9th August 2017
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Mr Pointy said:
And yet you happily continue to folllow a 'sport' that gladly invites someone who allows bombing of hospitals & children on to the podium to present the trophy to the winner?

If you all thought morals came into it you should stop following F1.
You can apply the same logic to any top line sport. Sadly.



Mr Pointy

11,692 posts

165 months

Wednesday 9th August 2017
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StevieBee said:
You can apply the same logic to any top line sport. Sadly.
Very true. It was just irksome so see some rather self righteous posters lining up to have a pop at Ecclestone when we willingly suck up to one of the worst dictators on the planet who has caused incalculable distress across so many countries. I just wish that one of the drivers would make some form of protest, but I admit I'm not sure I would have the courage to. It's likely you wouldn't have a long life afterwards.

K50 DEL

9,333 posts

234 months

Wednesday 9th August 2017
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coppice said:

And Dubai, where former driver, the late Mike Beuttler , would have been locked up for his sexual orientation , if someone didn't chuck him off a building first.
There's never been an F1 race in Dubai, so I assume you're talking about Abu Dhabi and, whilst homosexuality is technically illegal there, unless you're very openly flaunting it (the sort of thing that would be against public decency laws here too) no one will bat an eye lid and he certainly wouldn't be "chucked off a building"

But don't let the truth get in the way of a good bit of prejudice eh?

heebeegeetee

28,956 posts

254 months

Wednesday 9th August 2017
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Mr Pointy said:
Very true. It was just irksome so see some rather self righteous posters lining up to have a pop at Ecclestone when we willingly suck up to one of the worst dictators on the planet who has caused incalculable distress across so many countries. I just wish that one of the drivers would make some form of protest, but I admit I'm not sure I would have the courage to. It's likely you wouldn't have a long life afterwards.
I wouldn't get too excited. Don't forget we're the nation that has recently changed regimes and left utter chaos behind. Cameron and Holland removing Gaddaffi, triggering the mother of all migrations, huge loss of life, enormous misery, bloody big problem for other European nations, nought but chaos left in Libya etc etc.

I'd suggest a world championships of nations without sin would be a bloody small one.

coppice

8,851 posts

150 months

Wednesday 9th August 2017
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K50 DEL said:
There's never been an F1 race in Dubai, so I assume you're talking about Abu Dhabi and, whilst homosexuality is technically illegal there, unless you're very openly flaunting it (the sort of thing that would be against public decency laws here too) no one will bat an eye lid and he certainly wouldn't be "chucked off a building"

But don't let the truth get in the way of a good bit of prejudice eh?
I stand corrected. In mitigation it is depressingly easy to confuse those paragons of free speech and democracy .

Edited by coppice on Wednesday 9th August 17:33

turbomoped

4,180 posts

89 months

Thursday 10th August 2017
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At the end of the day its Jones that took a dive for an easy paycheck/willingness to not embarrass big business interests.
Dunno why he would want to tell everyone about his flawed character unless its some guilt he wants to get off his chest.

FourWheelDrift

89,426 posts

290 months

Sunday 20th August 2017
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markcoznottz said:
StevieBee said:
For all his faults, Ecclestone certainly knew how to circumvent difficult things.

As an aside, I remember that Beatrice Lola well. They used to use the Ford test track at Boreham just north of Chelmsford and remember seeing Alan Jones strolling through Chelmsford High Street one lunchtime.
Dog of a chassis, criminal waste of reputedly the best turbo engine in the field.
Just seen this, 3 car Beatrice Haas F1 collection for sale - https://www.duncanhamilton.com/for-sale/19851986-b...

THL1 (1985 ex-Jones) – Chassis 002 with Hart 415T – Fully restored and ready for track use.
THL2 (1986 ex-Jones) – Chassis 001 with Ford Cosworth GBA V6 Turbo – Fully restored and ready for track use.
THL2 (1986 ex-Tambay) – Chassis 002 – Un-restored but excellent original condition. Requires Ford V6 engine to be built-up and installed.
Spares package includes enough engine parts to build up several Cosworth V6 and Hart 4-cyl engines, 30+ wheels, suspension, gearbox, bodywork, and much more.

Wills2

23,954 posts

181 months

Sunday 27th August 2017
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K50 DEL said:
There's never been an F1 race in Dubai, so I assume you're talking about Abu Dhabi and, whilst homosexuality is technically illegal there, unless you're very openly flaunting it (the sort of thing that would be against public decency laws here too) no one will bat an eye lid and he certainly wouldn't be "chucked off a building"

But don't let the truth get in the way of a good bit of prejudice eh?
Oh the irony....