Unsafe release of a car

[Doink]

Ok so hear me out, Grosjean in all likelihood would of got a penalty for an unsafe release because of a cross nut had he not broke down, letting a car re-join the race knowing it to have a fault should be punishable I guess. So using Baku as an example why didn't the FIA order Ferrari to pull vettel in on safety grounds just like they did with Lewis, even it was just to check it over and then let him re-join if found to be ok I mean there was something clearly a miss with his steering.........his STEERING of all things should be classed as a safety device surely, whatever it was was stopping him from using the kerbs and to top it off the team knew about it before the race started and still allowed him to take the start, why is that not punishable?

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017/07/31/ferrari-disc...

[cuprabob]

You do know that FIA stands for Ferrari International Assistance and that Jean Todt, ex- Ferrari team boss, is never going to compromise Ferrari or a Ferrari driver.

Seriously though I don't think it was warranted in this case although if it had been a "high speed" circuit it may have been a different story.

[Europa1]

Doink said:

Ok so hear me out, Grosjean in all likelihood would of got a penalty for an unsafe release because of a cross nut had he not broke down, letting a car re-join the race knowing it to have a fault should be punishable I guess. So using Baku as an example why didn't the FIA order Ferrari to pull vettel in on safety grounds just like they did with Lewis, even it was just to check it over and then let him re-join if found to be ok I mean there was something clearly a miss with his steering.........his STEERING of all things should be classed as a safety device surely, whatever it was was stopping him from using the kerbs and to top it off the team knew about it before the race started and still allowed him to take the start, why is that not punishable?

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017/07/31/ferrari-disc...

Baku?

[Doink]

Because it's not a fast circuit doesn't wash I'm sorry, they were still touching 190mph in the speed trap, in case you missed it Ferrari carry an FIA action for road safety logo on the front wing, letting a car enter a race knowing it has a fault let alone a fault with it's steering is down right reckless and should of been acted upon by the FIA

[Doink]

Europa1 said:

Doink said:

Ok so hear me out, Grosjean in all likelihood would of got a penalty for an unsafe release because of a cross nut had he not broke down, letting a car re-join the race knowing it to have a fault should be punishable I guess. So using Baku as an example why didn't the FIA order Ferrari to pull vettel in on safety grounds just like they did with Lewis, even it was just to check it over and then let him re-join if found to be ok I mean there was something clearly a miss with his steering.........his STEERING of all things should be classed as a safety device surely, whatever it was was stopping him from using the kerbs and to top it off the team knew about it before the race started and still allowed him to take the start, why is that not punishable?

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017/07/31/ferrari-disc...

Baku?

Yes Baku

[Pebbles167]

Slightly off the topic, but sticking with Grosjean, it looked like the rear left wheel nearly fell off after the team told him to pull over, but doesn't seem like anyone touched on it. Anyone else see this? Or did I see some sort of crazy optical illusion?

[SunsetZed]

Pebbles167 said:

Slightly off the topic, but sticking with Grosjean, it looked like the rear left wheel nearly fell off after the team told him to pull over, but doesn't seem like anyone touched on it. Anyone else see this? Or did I see some sort of crazy optical illusion?

Yes I thought the same as you

[Doink]

Pebbles167 said:

Slightly off the topic, but sticking with Grosjean, it looked like the rear left wheel nearly fell off after the team told him to pull over, but doesn't seem like anyone touched on it. Anyone else see this? Or did I see some sort of crazy optical illusion?

That could of been the wheel with the crossed nut and it hadn't fully tightened, they realised straight away and told him to stop so fair play but rules are that it was an unsafe release so surely letting a car start in an unsafe condition is just as bad if not worse

[The Surveyor]

Doink said:

Because it's not a fast circuit doesn't wash I'm sorry, they were still touching 190mph in the speed trap, in case you missed it Ferrari carry an FIA action for road safety logo on the front wing, letting a car enter a race knowing it has a fault let alone a fault with it's steering is down right reckless and should of been acted upon by the FIA

I agree, especially if the problem was getting worse. I had visions of him going straight-on into the barrier at any moment, the fact they didn't even check it at his pit stop was also surprising.

You have to assume they knew what the issue was, and knew it wasn't going to let-go which is why they let him stay-out.

[C70R]

The Surveyor said:

Doink said:

Because it's not a fast circuit doesn't wash I'm sorry, they were still touching 190mph in the speed trap, in case you missed it Ferrari carry an FIA action for road safety logo on the front wing, letting a car enter a race knowing it has a fault let alone a fault with it's steering is down right reckless and should of been acted upon by the FIA

I agree, especially if the problem was getting worse. I had visions of him going straight-on into the barrier at any moment, the fact they didn't even check it at his pit stop was also surprising.

You have to assume they knew what the issue was, and knew it wasn't going to let-go which is why they let him stay-out.

The bold bit is the only important bit, for me. That car is covered in sensors, and they clearly didn't think it was a major issue. Even without being able to hit the kerbs (although I do seem to recall him using a lot on exit), he was still getting around at not far off full pace.
There's no way that an F1 team would jeopardise driver safety deliberately, and they have an awful lot more info than the average TV fan or pundit.

With you on the unsafe release thing, though. It's enough of a punishment that he retired, but there should be some retrospective action for the team allowing him out with a wheel that could pop off at any time.