Standing restarts..
Discussion
Allyc85 said:
So the teams have agreed to introduce standing restarts after safety car periods. Dare I ask peoples thoughts on this?
For 2017 I assume?They did it before and it caused big delays, a lot of races with only one safety car period come right up to the race time limit and standing restart won't help this.
Not a fan.
From what I gather they are still driving around behind the safety car it is only when they are ready to go again (and the safety car enters the pits) that they form on the grid and then go, rather like the warmup lap and race start. It should make restarts better as there won't be anyone falling asleep and dropping back and some overtakes. Unfortunately it will probably cause more safety car periods as most accidents do tend to happen on lap 1 starts.
All I can see it doing is causing more incidents/problems, and as was mentioned in Fp3, who ever starts off of the racing line will be screwed by all the dirt and marbles. Rubbish idea!
AndrewEH1 said:
For 2017 I assume?
They did it before and it caused big delays, a lot of races with only one safety car period come right up to the race time limit and standing restart won't help this.
Not a fan.
Indeed for 2017, but yet to be fully signed off.They did it before and it caused big delays, a lot of races with only one safety car period come right up to the race time limit and standing restart won't help this.
Not a fan.
Rubbish idea, can see it being dropped after a few races when the leader loses out because of a bad second start. A tad unfair that they can build up a big lead and have the chance of losing it. That said if he VSC is used correctly it will only be for extreme wet starts like Brazil where it will be used
Bad idea, for the reasons already mentioned. Still, not as bad as I once remember it being when a restart would be done from the original grid positions and the result worked out at the end from an aggregate of the two sections of the race!
Edited by MitchT on Friday 25th November 19:43
MitchT said:
Bad idea, for the reasons already mentioned. Still, not as bad as I once remember it being when a restart would be done from the original grid positions and the result worked out at the end from an aggregate of the two sections of the race!
Only time I remember that was when Damon Hill drove probably the race of his life in a drenched Japan to beat Schumacher. I remember it being super exciting, but then I was about 13 at the time. Edited by MitchT on Friday 25th November 19:43
This was discussed on Sky during FP2 today. The idea was not warmly received, and some potential issues raised:
Firstly, on a track with high tyre degredation drivers with starting positions away from the racing line (usually those starting 2nd, 4th, 6th and so on, as Pole is on the racing line, and therefore the "odd numbers" will be on the clean side of the track) will be significantly disadvantaged.
Secondly, it will be difficult for drivers to locate their grid slot, unless markings are improved.
And thirdly, standing starts increase the chance of an accident. Followed by another Safety Car, more grid confusion and the prospect of another standing start and further opportunities for carnage.
And some drivers are better at starts than others.
Firstly, on a track with high tyre degredation drivers with starting positions away from the racing line (usually those starting 2nd, 4th, 6th and so on, as Pole is on the racing line, and therefore the "odd numbers" will be on the clean side of the track) will be significantly disadvantaged.
Secondly, it will be difficult for drivers to locate their grid slot, unless markings are improved.
And thirdly, standing starts increase the chance of an accident. Followed by another Safety Car, more grid confusion and the prospect of another standing start and further opportunities for carnage.
And some drivers are better at starts than others.
SmoothCriminal said:
I thought this was only for races which start under the safety car due to wet weather not every safety car.
They drive around behind the saftey car and when its "safe" (dry enough to swtich to inters
) they line up on the grid and have a standing start.
So why not either wait until it's dry enough to start, or if already started then red flag the race? No-one wants to watch cars following the safety car.They drive around behind the saftey car and when its "safe" (dry enough to swtich to inters
) they line up on the grid and have a standing start. I get the argument that running behind the safety car dries the racing line, but wouldn't one or more of those helicopter blowers (like the one Montoya crashed into) be a batter bet?
glazbagun said:
MitchT said:
Bad idea, for the reasons already mentioned. Still, not as bad as I once remember it being when a restart would be done from the original grid positions and the result worked out at the end from an aggregate of the two sections of the race!
Only time I remember that was when Damon Hill drove probably the race of his life in a drenched Japan to beat Schumacher. I remember it being super exciting, but then I was about 13 at the time. Edited by MitchT on Friday 25th November 19:43
It was a very good race though.
Mr_Thyroid said:
glazbagun said:
MitchT said:
Bad idea, for the reasons already mentioned. Still, not as bad as I once remember it being when a restart would be done from the original grid positions and the result worked out at the end from an aggregate of the two sections of the race!
Only time I remember that was when Damon Hill drove probably the race of his life in a drenched Japan to beat Schumacher. I remember it being super exciting, but then I was about 13 at the time. Edited by MitchT on Friday 25th November 19:43
It was a very good race though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yQ_egh_wVw
ETA- how slow does the safety car section seem now?! Restart is around the 1hr 05 mark. Also, Flavio looked positively fit in those days compared to now!
200BHP FWD Prelude as a pace car, bet he was driving the wheel off it!
Edited by glazbagun on Saturday 26th November 01:03
DS240 said:
Isn't the idea only to go to a standing start if the race has been started behind the safety car... Once track declared fit for racing.
Not everytime a safety car period comes to an end. That wouldn't make any sense.
There are two separate ideas, one already confirmed.Not everytime a safety car period comes to an end. That wouldn't make any sense.
The confirmed one is that if it is wet and the cars start behind the safety car then when the track is suitable the safety car will stop and there will be a standing start instead of the current rolling start. Although I do wonder what the point of the laps behind the safety car is, might as well just delay the start!
The other idea is that for any safety car incident there would be a standing start. This strikes me as a ridiculous decision and grossly unfair for the leader and anyone else who has built a good lead on the car behind them. They are already badly affected by the safety car bunching the field and under this scheme could easily lose a position as well.
Chrisgr31 said:
DS240 said:
Isn't the idea only to go to a standing start if the race has been started behind the safety car... Once track declared fit for racing.
Not everytime a safety car period comes to an end. That wouldn't make any sense.
There are two separate ideas, one already confirmed.Not everytime a safety car period comes to an end. That wouldn't make any sense.
The confirmed one is that if it is wet and the cars start behind the safety car then when the track is suitable the safety car will stop and there will be a standing start instead of the current rolling start. Although I do wonder what the point of the laps behind the safety car is, might as well just delay the start!
The other idea is that for any safety car incident there would be a standing start. This strikes me as a ridiculous decision and grossly unfair for the leader and anyone else who has built a good lead on the car behind them. They are already badly affected by the safety car bunching the field and under this scheme could easily lose a position as well.
Where there hasn't been a standing start behind SC start, I understand and actually think is good for 'the show'.
But stopping the race after each SC is ridiculous with no logical reason for doing so.... other than trying to mix things up a bit during a race.
This will do credit to F1.
Other than stopping for a red flags or a pit stop, the cars shouldn't be brought to a stop again just because the safety car comes out.
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