Renault ditching current engine

[MartG]

Renault have announced that they will debut an all new engine next year

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/revealed-renault...

[lee_fr200]

And I bet they've used all 2016 to develop an engine good luck to them

And Honda will still be sat twiddling their thumbs

[KevinCamaroSS]

Is the token system still in force?

[rubystone]

lee_fr200 said:

And I bet they've used all 2016 to develop an engine good luck to them

And Honda will still be sat twiddling their thumbs

Actually Honda haven't....they have admitted Mercedes were right though.

[//j17]

A much more interesting question is: Will Renault continue making their current engine too? If you want to put a Renault engine in your car you get the 2017 one. If you want to put a Tag Heure engine in your car you get the 2016 one...?

Revenge is a dish best served cold and if anyone complains you can say "We didn't want to risk giving our customers the new engine until any initial reliability issues have been ironed out.".

[anonymous-user]

//j17 said:

A much more interesting question is: Will Renault continue making their current engine too? If you want to put a Renault engine in your car you get the 2017 one. If you want to put a Tag Heure engine in your car you get the 2016 one...?

Revenge is a dish best served cold and if anyone complains you can say "We didn't want to risk giving our customers the new engine until any initial reliability issues have been ironed out.".

That would be so funny.

[glazbagun]

mstrbkr said:

//j17 said:

A much more interesting question is: Will Renault continue making their current engine too? If you want to put a Renault engine in your car you get the 2017 one. If you want to put a Tag Heure engine in your car you get the 2016 one...?

Revenge is a dish best served cold and if anyone complains you can say "We didn't want to risk giving our customers the new engine until any initial reliability issues have been ironed out.".

That would be so funny.

I wouldn't hold it against them in the slightest. Couldn't risk it blowing up in a Red Bull and them getting all that bad press again, after all. I'm sure Tag Hueur can build them a good engine. They look like they know what they're doing.

[Some Gump]

//j17 said:

A much more interesting question is: Will Renault continue making their current engine too? If you want to put a Renault engine in your car you get the 2017 one. If you want to put a Tag Heure engine in your car you get the 2016 one...?

Revenge is a dish best served cold and if anyone complains you can say "We didn't want to risk giving our customers the new engine until any initial reliability issues have been ironed out.".

I would be willing to crowdfund this. Horner is a douche.

[HustleRussell]

Can someone remind me how much money the sport has saved by ditching the V8s and downsizing to efficient and reliable V6Ts (five units of which will run a full season) ?

[//j17]

HustleRussell said:

Can someone remind me how much money the sport has saved by ditching the V8s and downsizing to efficient and reliable V6Ts (five units of which will run a full season) ?

They haven't saved any, but then R&D costs money and the switch was never about saving money, it was about keeping F1 and its engine technology up to date.

What the sport has done by ditching the V8s and downsizing to hybrid V6s is produce more power using half the fuel (flow rate of 100kg/hr vs 190kg/hr back when F1 used proper V10 engines, before they downsized to those nasty little V8s).

[HustleRussell]

I like the PUs, the torque combined with the Pirelli tyres has added to the challenge of driving the cars fast.

However cost saving absolutely was one of the motivations for introducing these engines and limiting them to five units per season. Four next year. They cap the cost of these units to customs teams at least- but the amount invested by the engine manufacturers has been obscene- and here we are with one team abandoning three years of development and starting again...

[KevinCamaroSS]

HustleRussell said:

I like the PUs, the torque combined with the Pirelli tyres has added to the challenge of driving the cars fast.

However cost saving absolutely was one of the motivations for introducing these engines and limiting them to five units per season. Four next year. They cap the cost of these units to customs teams at least- but the amount invested by the engine manufacturers has been obscene- and here we are with one team abandoning three years of development and starting again...

Like none of the engine manufacturers has ever binned an engine design for their road cars before? For the manufacturers this is simply a good way of carrying out R&D for the road car PUs. Look at the Merc 4.0V8 hot-vee turbo engine as an example.

[m444ttb]

Imagine if they let them double up on the spec and simply take the current engines out to V12. That would take a delicate touch in the wet I'd think

[Crafty_]

HustleRussell said:

However cost saving absolutely was one of the motivations for introducing these engines and limiting them to five units per season.

I think you misunderstand...

Cost saving was not remotely one of the reasons for the V6 engines.

"Cost saving" only comes in to the equation when looking at the engine limit. If engines were unlimited we'd be back to the old days of 60-80 engines per car per season. That would cost a lot of money, hence by limiting it to 5 they are "cost saving". Its somewhat disingenuous but there you go.

What this news does mean is that Renault are in for the long haul and are prepared to sink significant money in to the sport.

[lee_fr200]

tbh i can't believe magnussen hasn't fought to have the last seat and just given it up 9 if reports are to be believed, that car could be a real contender in the coming years

[VolvoT5]

lee_fr200 said:

tbh i can't believe magnussen hasn't fought to have the last seat and just given it up 9 if reports are to be believed, that car could be a real contender in the coming years

Well apparently they offered him a 1 year deal and he declined it because he felt there was a lack of commitment from Renault. I mean as they had shopped around so much it was obvious they didn't really want him long term and he would be desperately looking for a 2018 seat again in 9 months.

So I guess from Magnussen's point of view Renault potentially being more competitive next year is outweighed by the fact he can secure a long term future in F1 with Haas. Can't blame him really as he has had 2 full seasons at different teams with the axe hanging over his head much of the time. Hard to perform under those circumstances. Plus if he matches or beats Grosjean he might earn a drive somewhere better.

[ISO51200]

//j17 said:

A much more interesting question is: Will Renault continue making their current engine too? If you want to put a Renault engine in your car you get the 2017 one. If you want to put a Tag Heure engine in your car you get the 2016 one...?

Revenge is a dish best served cold and if anyone complains you can say "We didn't want to risk giving our customers the new engine until any initial reliability issues have been ironed out.".

Whatever Renault run in their car, Red Bull get

[lee_fr200]

VolvoT5 said:

lee_fr200 said:

tbh i can't believe magnussen hasn't fought to have the last seat and just given it up 9 if reports are to be believed, that car could be a real contender in the coming years

Well apparently they offered him a 1 year deal and he declined it because he felt there was a lack of commitment from Renault. I mean as they had shopped around so much it was obvious they didn't really want him long term and he would be desperately looking for a 2018 seat again in 9 months.

So I guess from Magnussen's point of view Renault potentially being more competitive next year is outweighed by the fact he can secure a long term future in F1 with Haas. Can't blame him really as he has had 2 full seasons at different teams with the axe hanging over his head much of the time. Hard to perform under those circumstances. Plus if he matches or beats Grosjean he might earn a drive somewhere better.

I'd rather have 1year with a potential top running team over 2yrs with a midfield,
Renault certainly have the capacity to win whereas I don't think haas will

[VolvoT5]

lee_fr200 said:

I'd rather have 1year with a potential top running team over 2yrs with a midfield,
Renault certainly have the capacity to win whereas I don't think haas will

I think it is a 2 + 1 deal he has with Haas, so potentially 3 years if he wants it.

I would be amazed if Renault are winning races next year, even podiums would be optimistic IMO. Management structure is apparently still a bit all over the place and they have to make big gains with the car.

[glazbagun]

ISO51200 said:

Whatever Renault run in their car, Red Bull get

You are just no fun at all.