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Is this the main problem with F1? A Moto Gp rider stating the following
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The car is so smooth, I expected a more twitchy and difficult car but in the end everything was so good: the steering wheel, the engine, everything.
“It was quite easy to drive and the car in the corners is really, really fast and the grip of the car it's unreal. In the first lap you feel the power but when you get used to it.
We all know if a F1 driver was to try and run at the pace of a Moto Gp rider on a Moto Gp bike the results would be very different.
You also hear GP2 drivers who have moved up into F1 stating it as the braking that impressed more than the performance. Surely F1 cars need to be more "special" when it comes to driving skills.
Is this the main problem with F1? A Moto Gp rider stating the following
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The car is so smooth, I expected a more twitchy and difficult car but in the end everything was so good: the steering wheel, the engine, everything.
“It was quite easy to drive and the car in the corners is really, really fast and the grip of the car it's unreal. In the first lap you feel the power but when you get used to it.
We all know if a F1 driver was to try and run at the pace of a Moto Gp rider on a Moto Gp bike the results would be very different.
You also hear GP2 drivers who have moved up into F1 stating it as the braking that impressed more than the performance. Surely F1 cars need to be more "special" when it comes to driving skills.
Last year Kimi didn't seem to have much luck with the Ferrari (torque oversteer spins on a semi-regular basis) and we've seen Rosberg sawing at the wheel last week.
I suspect it's one thing to drive the car at 9/10ths, braking early and getting straightened up before really accelerating hard, quite another to be getting the power down as early as possible etc.
I suspect it's one thing to drive the car at 9/10ths, braking early and getting straightened up before really accelerating hard, quite another to be getting the power down as early as possible etc.
Im not so sure. We always see the conclusion that its easier to get within X percentage of a fast car's ultimate performance than it is to get anywhere near X percentage of a fast bike's ultimate performance. I don't think the car would reveal its most demanding characteristics until you're really pushing its performance envelope and I didn't see anything in the article to show how hard Jorge was pushing. Everything may well be very calm until you go a little too far. Its also worth remembering the amount of driver aids that have been banned.... And perhaps the fact that Jorge is used to the sensation of ridiculous acceleration from his M1 (Its no shock that its braking, high speed cornering and putting power down on exit where the F1 car is a different level to his inane MotoGP bike).
Jasandjules said:
What were his lap times? If they were competitive in an equivalent machine then fair enough.
Quote: From what the engineers were saying, my times were really competitive. Doubt we will ever hear how fast his times were and this is Lorenzo's words rather than the teams.
Would be good to find out.
Rossi did a test with Ferrari back in 2006
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/77028/1/rossi-mat...
However, although it is tempting to make direct comparisons between Rossi and the F1 regulars present - including seven times world champion Michael Schumacher, who was just over a second quicker than Vale - it is worth remembering that Rossi was driving a Ferrari F2004 M, rather than the 2006 spec Ferrari 248, muddying the waters slightly.
The most important - but by no means only - difference between the two machines is the engine: The 248 used by Schumacher (and most other F1 cars at Valencia) is powered by an 'unlimited' 2.4-litre V8 engine, as required by the 2006 regulations.
However, a rule designed to help teams unable to acquire a new V8 means that 3.0-litre V10 engines can still be raced in 2006, providing their power is limited to a level comparable to the V8 - and it was this type of 'limited' V10 engine (rather than an unlimited pre-2006 spec V10) which ANSA reports Rossi's car as having.
If that is the case - and providing Ferrari have accurately limited the engine - then Rossi has done a very impressive job today (despite a late spin) and will no doubt be seeking to improve even further tomorrow - when 2006 Ferrari race driver Felipe Massa will join Schumacher and Rossi in action for the Italian team.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 7th October 18:37
hairyben said:
Flooble said:
I suspect it's one thing to drive the car at 9/10ths,
^This, without lap times to compare you cant really quantify his impressions, plus he's a mardy f
ker that wouldnt pass up a sideswipe in the great motogp.v.f1 cockfightBut, outside of qualifying, when does anyone drive these cars even close to 9/10ths?
I don't think there's really a question, most of the top drivers say these cars are too easy for them to drive.
hairyben said:
^This, without lap times to compare you cant really quantify his impressions, plus he's a mardy fker that wouldnt pass up a sideswipe in the great motogp.v.f1 cockfight
Away from the MotoGP circus he is actually a thoroughly nice bloke, down to earth and time for everybody.ker that wouldnt pass up a sideswipe in the great motogp.v.f1 cockfightA perfect example of how a rider can change personality when the visor comes down.
jbudgie said:
RKi said:
I've no interest in bikes whatsoever, but MotgoGP sts all over F1 in terms of pure entertainment. Its bloody brilliant.
Spot on there old chap.ts all over F1 in terms of pure entertainment. Its bloody brilliant.Turn7 said:
RKi said:
I've no interest in bikes whatsoever, but MotgoGP sts all over F1 in terms of pure entertainment. Its bloody brilliant.
ANY Bike racing does that tbh... BSB, WSB, and Motogp.ts all over F1 in terms of pure entertainment. Its bloody brilliant.Corpulent Tosser said:
Turn7 said:
RKi said:
I've no interest in bikes whatsoever, but MotgoGP sts all over F1 in terms of pure entertainment. Its bloody brilliant.
ANY Bike racing does that tbh... BSB, WSB, and Motogp.ts all over F1 in terms of pure entertainment. Its bloody brilliant.
Who in the current F1 paddock have said the cars are too easy to drive? Hamilton, Vettel and Alonso to name some?
You only need to see how Max gets on to realise they aren't what they were. GP2 times aren't far behind either.
I always like these swap things. Need to get Rosberg on a GP bike now...
I don't think any rider or driver would ever reach the pinnacle of the other sport. The skills to get that extra edge take years to refine. But the biker is most likely to have the best chance of success as bikes are just that bit easier to fall off from and I personally have no idea how to get around a corner at 60 degrees leant over.
You only need to see how Max gets on to realise they aren't what they were. GP2 times aren't far behind either.
I always like these swap things. Need to get Rosberg on a GP bike now...
I don't think any rider or driver would ever reach the pinnacle of the other sport. The skills to get that extra edge take years to refine. But the biker is most likely to have the best chance of success as bikes are just that bit easier to fall off from and I personally have no idea how to get around a corner at 60 degrees leant over.
If anyone has seen Jorge high side crash yesterday at Montegi from what was just a rear wheel slide that gripped, you can clearly see why bike racers are jut a different league to the F1 guys and especially the pay to drive rich Daddies kids mob.
The fact Jorge ws back on the bike for Qually is just a bonus for their utter big balls.
The fact Jorge ws back on the bike for Qually is just a bonus for their utter big balls.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/234223/1/dream-co...
Is this the main problem with F1? A Moto Gp rider stating the following
Quote
The car is so smooth, I expected a more twitchy and difficult car but in the end everything was so good: the steering wheel, the engine, everything.
“It was quite easy to drive and the car in the corners is really, really fast and the grip of the car it's unreal. In the first lap you feel the power but when you get used to it.
We all know if a F1 driver was to try and run at the pace of a Moto Gp rider on a Moto Gp bike the results would be very different.
You also hear GP2 drivers who have moved up into F1 stating it as the braking that impressed more than the performance. Surely F1 cars need to be more "special" when it comes to driving skills.
Yup, that's it. The filth at the top of the sport, the characterless, boring drivers and the ridiculous "cash conquers all" amorality pale into insignificance in comparison. (IMHO)Is this the main problem with F1? A Moto Gp rider stating the following
Quote
The car is so smooth, I expected a more twitchy and difficult car but in the end everything was so good: the steering wheel, the engine, everything.
“It was quite easy to drive and the car in the corners is really, really fast and the grip of the car it's unreal. In the first lap you feel the power but when you get used to it.
We all know if a F1 driver was to try and run at the pace of a Moto Gp rider on a Moto Gp bike the results would be very different.
You also hear GP2 drivers who have moved up into F1 stating it as the braking that impressed more than the performance. Surely F1 cars need to be more "special" when it comes to driving skills.
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