Alonso and Vettel deserve better
Discussion
Firstly, I'm a Lewis Hamilton fan so favour him winning in F1.
However, currently, the only competition he has is with his team-mate, Rosberg.
As each month goes by, the career twilights for Alonso and Vettel draw ever closer. It's such a waste of huge talent that they're not in cars that can race against Hamilton and Rosberg.
I'd love to see at least 4, even better if it were 6-8 drivers jostling for the top spot at each race. I feel we really need at least Alonso and Vettel in a car that's as fast as the Mercedes.
However, currently, the only competition he has is with his team-mate, Rosberg.
As each month goes by, the career twilights for Alonso and Vettel draw ever closer. It's such a waste of huge talent that they're not in cars that can race against Hamilton and Rosberg.
I'd love to see at least 4, even better if it were 6-8 drivers jostling for the top spot at each race. I feel we really need at least Alonso and Vettel in a car that's as fast as the Mercedes.
There's a lot of world champions kicking around at the moment. F1's about more than individual driver track performance though, however much that isn't always particularly exciting.
Personally I don't take to Vettel and particularly Alonso so struggle to be too bothered there, but I get the general sentiment.
Personally I don't take to Vettel and particularly Alonso so struggle to be too bothered there, but I get the general sentiment.
Edited by 768 on Sunday 31st July 09:45
It appears Alonso was right about Ferrari though.
McLaren have actually made significant progress if you look at where they were last year and it's quite possible they may be on a par with or even ahead of Ferrari next year.
The question is whether it will come good in time for Alonso to win again or will Stoffel be the beneficiary of all the development done by two world champions.
McLaren have actually made significant progress if you look at where they were last year and it's quite possible they may be on a par with or even ahead of Ferrari next year.
The question is whether it will come good in time for Alonso to win again or will Stoffel be the beneficiary of all the development done by two world champions.
Vettel has the look of a man... who is slowly coming around to a situation, that Alonso outlined when he left Ferrari for McLaren. That being that Ferrari just don't have it in them to make a car capable of the WCC / WDC. And whilst Alonso has been trundling around in the mclaren, what has Vettel achieved at Ferrari? Through no fault of his own... Alonso was right to leave Ferrari and take a risk at joint another team.
Vettel must see Red Bull now becoming the 'second' team after Mercedes and wonder what the hell he could / should do. There'll be no allegiance to Ferrari if they don't come good over the next couple of years; none whatsoever.
Vettel must see Red Bull now becoming the 'second' team after Mercedes and wonder what the hell he could / should do. There'll be no allegiance to Ferrari if they don't come good over the next couple of years; none whatsoever.
cgt2 said:
It appears Alonso was right about Ferrari though.
McLaren have actually made significant progress if you look at where they were last year and it's quite possible they may be on a par with or even ahead of Ferrari next year.
The question is whether it will come good in time for Alonso to win again or will Stoffel be the beneficiary of all the development done by two world champions.
This. Looking at Hungary, you can see that the chassis is not bad at all. McLaren have actually made significant progress if you look at where they were last year and it's quite possible they may be on a par with or even ahead of Ferrari next year.
The question is whether it will come good in time for Alonso to win again or will Stoffel be the beneficiary of all the development done by two world champions.
2017 is going to be a bit of a step change for all the teams, and might allow someone else to steal a march by finding the crucial gap in the regulations that Mercedes did with the split turbo.
Alonso's patience may pay off - as stated earlier in thread, they have the potential to pass Ferrari.
Ferrari will come good. It is just how long it will take to turn around the supertanker. It could be like 1996-2000 again.
The problem for Seb is that there is nowhere to go. He has to stick at it.
Ferrari will come good. It is just how long it will take to turn around the supertanker. It could be like 1996-2000 again.
The problem for Seb is that there is nowhere to go. He has to stick at it.
LDN said:
Vettel has the look of a man... who is slowly coming around to a situation, that Alonso outlined when he left Ferrari for McLaren. That being that Ferrari just don't have it in them to make a car capable of the WCC / WDC. And whilst Alonso has been trundling around in the mclaren, what has Vettel achieved at Ferrari? Through no fault of his own... Alonso was right to leave Ferrari and take a risk at joint another team.
Vettel must see Red Bull now becoming the 'second' team after Mercedes and wonder what the hell he could / should do. There'll be no allegiance to Ferrari if they don't come good over the next couple of years; none whatsoever.
The problem with Ferrari is as ever, the politics of the Team. They bizarrely let Costa go a few years back, and now Allison has gone, it would seam over similar in-team political issues. I don't think Vettel is a happy bunny there at the moment. Vettel must see Red Bull now becoming the 'second' team after Mercedes and wonder what the hell he could / should do. There'll be no allegiance to Ferrari if they don't come good over the next couple of years; none whatsoever.
Ferrari aren't going to come good any time soon. It took the hard headed brilliant arrogance of Todt/Brawn/Schumacher to drag them out of a 20 year wasteland.....and they are gone and they have reverted to type and I don't see Ferrari challenging for a WDC/WCC anytime soon, or anytime in the future.
aeropilot said:
It took the hard headed brilliant arrogance of Todt/Brawn/Schumacher to drag them out of a 20 year wasteland.....and they are gone and they have reverted to type and I don't see Ferrari challenging for a WDC/WCC anytime soon, or anytime in the future.
The key aspect was how Jean Todt completely insulated the team from any outside influence, so they were never affected by the usual Ferrari politics.With Marchionne it is the complete opposite.
cgt2 said:
The key aspect was how Jean Todt completely insulated the team from any outside influence, so they were never affected by the usual Ferrari politics.
With Marchionne it is the complete opposite.
Having an Italian in charge has never worked well for Ferrari. Too much Lambrusco and linguine politics.With Marchionne it is the complete opposite.
Smollet said:
cgt2 said:
The key aspect was how Jean Todt completely insulated the team from any outside influence, so they were never affected by the usual Ferrari politics.
With Marchionne it is the complete opposite.
Having an Italian in charge has never worked well for Ferrari. Too much Lambrusco and linguine politics.With Marchionne it is the complete opposite.
Derek Smith said:
I think McLaren deserve better. Both drivers could have gone elsewhere. Alonso was the master of his own downfall.
But given the glory days of McLaren Honda, Dennis must have been hoping for more.
Fully agree with the above. But given the glory days of McLaren Honda, Dennis must have been hoping for more.
Better times are coming for McLaren I think aswell.
I also hope Button sticks around, he's good for the sport.
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