The Official 2016 Hungarian Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
Discussion
Date(s): Friday 22 July - Sunday 24 July 2016
UK Broadcast Timings (and local time)
All sessions are live on Channel 4 and Sky F1.
Hungaroring, Mogyoród
Pirelli's info on the nature of circuit on a scale of 1-5:
Live timing for all sessions available here:
http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/f1-...
Info such as lap times, PU use, technical reports, stewards decisions etc for the weekend will appear here:
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-one-world-ch...
Weather forecast:
http://www.myweather2.com/Motor-Racing/Hungary/Hun...
The tyre choices requested by the teams:
Pirelli nominated tyres are Medium and Soft for the race.
2015 Qualifying
2015 Race
Fastest Race Lap: 1:24.821 (L68, D. Ricciardo; Red Bull-Renault)
One of last year’s highlights, this race. It’s also a McLaren stomping ground of sorts, so it’s nice to come here. I expect a very competitive field for this one, with Red Bull giving Mercedes a scare and taking the fight to them at the front, with Ferrari close by. Take note of where the current Red Bull drivers finished last year--it should be a fascinating duel between them. Also, a certain Mr. Alonso placed 5th in the best finish for McLaren since they put the Honda engine at the back. It will be interesting to see how McLaren go here, one year on from that result.
A little bit of information from Pirelli about the track that helps to understand the tyre choices from the teams:
UK Broadcast Timings (and local time)
All sessions are live on Channel 4 and Sky F1.
Session | Day | Sky F1 | Channel 4 | Session Start | Local Time |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Practice 1 | Fri | 0845 | 0855 | 0900 | 1000 |
Practice 2 | Fri | 1245 | 1255 | 1300 | 1400 |
Practice 3 | Sat | 0945 | 0955 | 1000 | 1100 |
Qualifying | Sat | 1200 | 1200 | 1300 | 1400 |
Race | Sun | 1130 | 1200 | 1300 | 1400 |
Hungaroring, Mogyoród
Pirelli's info on the nature of circuit on a scale of 1-5:
Downforce | 4 |
Lateral loads | 4 |
Tyre stress | 3 |
Asphalt abrasion | 3 |
Asphalt grip | 4 |
Live timing for all sessions available here:
http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/f1-...
Info such as lap times, PU use, technical reports, stewards decisions etc for the weekend will appear here:
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-one-world-ch...
Weather forecast:
http://www.myweather2.com/Motor-Racing/Hungary/Hun...
Session | Comment | Air Temp (°C) | Cloud Cover | Rainfall (mm) |
Practice 1 | Patchy rain | 29-30 | 18% | 1.2 |
Practice 2 | Light shower | 32-31 | 70% | 0.4 |
Practice 3 | Sunny | 30-29 | 24% | 0.0 |
Qualifying | Sunny | 32-32 | 24% | 0.0 |
Race | Patchy rain | 33 | 39% | 0.9 |
The tyre choices requested by the teams:
Pirelli nominated tyres are Medium and Soft for the race.
2015 Qualifying
Pos. | Driver | Constructor | Q1 | Q2 | Q3 |
1 | Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | 1:22.890 | 1:22.285 | 1:22.020 |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
2 | Nico Rosberg | Mercedes | 1:22.979 | 1:22.775 | 1:22.595 |
3 | Sebastian Vettel | Ferrari | 1:23.312 | 1:23.168 | 1:22.739 |
4 | Daniel Ricciardo | Red Bull Racing-Renault | 1:24.408 | 1:23.230 | 1:22.774 |
5 | Kimi Räikkönen | Ferrari | 1:23.596 | 1:23.460 | 1:23.020 |
6 | Valtteri Bottas | Williams-Mercedes | 1:23.649 | 1:23.555 | 1:23.222 |
7 | Daniil Kvyat | Red Bull Racing-Renault | 1:23.587 | 1:23.597 | 1:23.332 |
8 | Felipe Massa | Williams-Mercedes | 1:23.895 | 1:23.598 | 1:23.537 |
9 | Max Verstappen | Toro Rosso-Renault | 1:24.032 | 1:23.781 | 1:23.679 |
10 | Romain Grosjean | Lotus-Mercedes | 1:24.242 | 1:23.805 | 1:24.181 |
11 | Nico Hülkenberg | Force India-Mercedes | 1:24.115 | 1:23.826 | - |
12 | Carlos Sainz, Jr. | Toro Rosso-Renault | 1:24.623 | 1:23.869 | - |
13 | Sergio Pérez | Force India-Mercedes | 1:24.444 | 1:24.461 | - |
14 | Pastor Maldonado | Lotus-Mercedes | 1:23.895 | 1:24.609 | - |
15 | Fernando Alonso | McLaren-Honda | 1:24.563 | No time | - |
16 | Jenson Button | McLaren-Honda | 1:24.739 | - | - |
17 | Marcus Ericsson | Sauber-Ferrari | 1:24.843 | - | - |
18 | Felipe Nasr | Sauber-Ferrari | 1:24.997 | - | - |
19 | Roberto Merhi | Marussia-Ferrari | 1:27.416 | - | - |
20 | Will Stevens | Marussia-Ferrari | 1:27.949 | - | - |
2015 Race
Pos. | Driver | Constructor | Laps | Time/Retired | Grid |
1 | Sebastian Vettel | Ferrari | 69 | 1:46:09.985 | 3 |
2 | Daniil Kvyat | Red Bull Racing-Renault | 69 | +15.7482 | 7 |
3 | Daniel Ricciardo | Red Bull Racing-Renault | 69 | +25.084 | 4 |
4 | Max Verstappen | Toro Rosso-Renault | 69 | +44.251 | 9 |
5 | Fernando Alonso | McLaren-Honda | 69 | +49.079 | 15 |
6 | Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | 69 | +52.025 | 1 |
7 | Romain Grosjean | Lotus-Mercedes | 69 | +58.578 | 10 |
8 | Nico Rosberg | Mercedes | 69 | +58.876 | 2 |
9 | Jenson Button | McLaren-Honda | 69 | +1:07.028 | 16 |
10 | Marcus Ericsson | Sauber-Ferrari | 69 | +1:09.130 | 17 |
11 | Felipe Nasr | Sauber-Ferrari | 69 | +1:13.458 | 18 |
12 | Felipe Massa | Williams-Mercedes | 69 | +1:14.278 | 8 |
13 | Valtteri Bottas | Williams-Mercedes | 69 | +1:20.228 | 6 |
14 | Pastor Maldonado | Lotus-Mercedes | 69 | +1:25.142 | 14 |
15 | Roberto Merhi | Marussia-Ferrari | 67 | +2 Laps | 19 |
161 | Will Stevens | Marussia-Ferrari | 65 | Suspension | 20 |
Ret | Carlos Sainz, Jr. | Toro Rosso-Renault | 60 | Fuel pressure | 12 |
Ret | Kimi Räikkönen | Ferrari | 55 | Hybrid system | 5 |
Ret | Sergio Pérez | Force India-Mercedes | 53 | Brakes | 13 |
Ret | Nico Hülkenberg | Force India-Mercedes | 41 | Front wing | 11 |
Fastest Race Lap: 1:24.821 (L68, D. Ricciardo; Red Bull-Renault)
One of last year’s highlights, this race. It’s also a McLaren stomping ground of sorts, so it’s nice to come here. I expect a very competitive field for this one, with Red Bull giving Mercedes a scare and taking the fight to them at the front, with Ferrari close by. Take note of where the current Red Bull drivers finished last year--it should be a fascinating duel between them. Also, a certain Mr. Alonso placed 5th in the best finish for McLaren since they put the Honda engine at the back. It will be interesting to see how McLaren go here, one year on from that result.
A little bit of information from Pirelli about the track that helps to understand the tyre choices from the teams:
Pirelli said:
There is only one significant straight on the Hungaroring, which means that the tyres do not get much opportunity to cool down. As a result, the medium tyre in particular (a low working range compound) will be constantly working at the upper end of its working range if it is hot. However, rain has been seen at the Hungaroring in the past too: notably [in 2014].
As well as being tough on tyres, the Hungaroring is very physically demanding on the drivers. They have often compared it to Singapore (renowned as the most physically demanding track of the year) due to the high number of corners, significant ambient temperatures, and comparatively little airflow though the car.
The Hungaroring is a circuit that is quite well balanced in terms of traction, braking and lateral energy demands. All the forces acting on the car are roughly equal in their extent, meaning that a neutral set-up is needed. The teams tend to run maximum downforce to generate the most aerodynamic grip.
So, Soft is the better race tyre while the Super Soft being sub optimal as it’s working range is slightly lower than even the Medium tyre. But because the Super Soft is the grippier tyre and its pace advantage is quite substantial in comparison to the Soft, the Top 10 teams will have to rely on that tyre for the 1st stint (as they'll be forced to qualify on it in Q2). This opens up the possibility for drivers starting outside of P10 to have a longer 1st stint on the Soft and make progress through the field as the front runners pit.As well as being tough on tyres, the Hungaroring is very physically demanding on the drivers. They have often compared it to Singapore (renowned as the most physically demanding track of the year) due to the high number of corners, significant ambient temperatures, and comparatively little airflow though the car.
The Hungaroring is a circuit that is quite well balanced in terms of traction, braking and lateral energy demands. All the forces acting on the car are roughly equal in their extent, meaning that a neutral set-up is needed. The teams tend to run maximum downforce to generate the most aerodynamic grip.
Edited by Dr Z on Thursday 21st July 10:53
I'm convinced Max is going to be right up the sharp end. It's a very Red Bull focused track and last year he went from 9th to 4th, one place behind Ricciardo. Yes the Mercs had problems but with the way he is driving now he has to be a contender for a win on merit.
I can see Max pulling a pass on this track in one of those places where people say it's impossible (as Mansell did on Senna in the 1989 Hungarian GP whilst lapping Johansson).
If Max beats Ricciardo again there are going to be some fireworks at Red Bull though.
I can see Max pulling a pass on this track in one of those places where people say it's impossible (as Mansell did on Senna in the 1989 Hungarian GP whilst lapping Johansson).
If Max beats Ricciardo again there are going to be some fireworks at Red Bull though.
cgt2 said:
If Max beats Ricciardo again there are going to be some fireworks at Red Bull though.
What do you mean if?Lewis, according to the press, reckons that Max is becoming a force to be reckoned with. At the British GP Lewis stood on the podium, and beside him was a future WDC. And I'm not talking about Nico
cgt2 said:
I'm convinced Max is going to be right up the sharp end. It's a very Red Bull focused track and last year he went from 9th to 4th, one place behind Ricciardo. Yes the Mercs had problems but with the way he is driving now he has to be a contender for a win on merit.
I can see Max pulling a pass on this track in one of those places where people say it's impossible (as Mansell did on Senna in the 1989 Hungarian GP whilst lapping Johansson).
If Max beats Ricciardo again there are going to be some fireworks at Red Bull though.
Red Bull started showing some improvement mid way through last year and Ricciardo split the Ferraris in qualifying. Given how much Red Bull have closed the gap and then made gains on top of that in other tracks this year so far, I very much think this race could be a repeat of Monaco except without the rain. Danny Ric desperately needs a good result, and there will be an uproar if Max beats him again.I can see Max pulling a pass on this track in one of those places where people say it's impossible (as Mansell did on Senna in the 1989 Hungarian GP whilst lapping Johansson).
If Max beats Ricciardo again there are going to be some fireworks at Red Bull though.
In four of the coming races not including this one, I think Red Bull have a realistic chance of being 2nd best or equal best with Merc. Ricciardo must win all those to have any chance in the title fight. He can't afford to have Max beating him if Red Bull are in a winning position or take the podium spots above him. I find their rivalry more interesting than the boring Lewis vs Nico main plot this season!
lewisco said:
Merc were confident it was hydraulic/electronic issues with the gearbox so hopefully no need to break the seal on the box itself which would incur a penalty. That was straight after the race on Sunday though so who knows.
I hope they do have to have to break it and put Mr Annoying back five places (or just behind Max will do fine )Flooble said:
As noted on the other thread, you can replace almost everything in the gearbox (like, er, gears) so it's highly unlikely he will have a penalty since the car still had drive all the way to the end.
Slightly off topic - one of the Indycars had a gearbox issue during last Sunday's race - it pitted and they swapped the gear pack and had him out again in not much over 5 minutes !FreiWild said:
Let's hope it does not rain, so we don't get another ridiculous safety car start.
This makes me sad.In my 30+ years of watching F1, 2 of the things I always look forward to at a Grand Prix are the standing start and the chance of rain.
Now it seems destined that we'll never see the 2 of them together again.
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/arrivabene-says-...
Even Arrivabene has had enough. Sounds like they want to see where they are in this race and make a decision to divert more of the resources to 2017.
Even Arrivabene has had enough. Sounds like they want to see where they are in this race and make a decision to divert more of the resources to 2017.
MartG said:
Flooble said:
As noted on the other thread, you can replace almost everything in the gearbox (like, er, gears) so it's highly unlikely he will have a penalty since the car still had drive all the way to the end.
Slightly off topic - one of the Indycars had a gearbox issue during last Sunday's race - it pitted and they swapped the gear pack and had him out again in not much over 5 minutes !Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff