Kvyat - lost his mojo?
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Sainz is exceptional though, so a lot of direct pressure against such a strong team-mate. I really hope he isn't stuck in a Toro Rosso for the next two years.
I'm wondering if the evidence is mounting that Verstappen is much better than Ricciardo, seems to be going that way. It also perhaps gives some context to how good Sainz is too.
I'm wondering if the evidence is mounting that Verstappen is much better than Ricciardo, seems to be going that way. It also perhaps gives some context to how good Sainz is too.
Kvyat needs to get it together. What Marko did was pretty horrendous, he was matching Ricciardo this year (bar reliability) but time to move on. Competing against Sainz is going to be tough.
The only think that might save him is the fact that the only driver Red Bull have in the wings is Gasly who isn't exactly seeing the field alight in gp2 and I dont think qualifies for a super licence.
I suppose they could take on one of the other gp2 guys but they normally keep an eye on them in feeder series first.
The only think that might save him is the fact that the only driver Red Bull have in the wings is Gasly who isn't exactly seeing the field alight in gp2 and I dont think qualifies for a super licence.
I suppose they could take on one of the other gp2 guys but they normally keep an eye on them in feeder series first.
He never seemed up to much to me. A driver of dubious talent in a good car, once he started smashing into everything around him it was clear he didn't deserve to be in that car any longer. Verstappen seems to be on the ride but if anyone has lost their mojo it seems to have been Ricciardo, he's had some poor luck this season and his times seem to be dropping. I thought he'd comfortably out-pace Verstappen for at least the rest of this season but Max seems to have adjusted to the Red Bull very quickly where Daniel looks less comfortable with each passing race.
Crafty_ said:
The "Honey Badger" thing is not new.
I think the point being made is others gave him that name, due to his tenacity/ approach to racing.Now he's calling himself it. I can't see Ricciardo ever being a champion, same with Daniil. Sainz and Verstappen on the other hand have championships in their future.
It shows how mental approach and confidence is everything in F1.
Last year, he was strong on a few occasions (Monaco, Silverstone , Hungary being exceptional) and his drive in China was great. But, the team were right to take Max.
But we've seen many drivers bounce back from poor patches (Hamilton from a collision-strewn 2011, Grosjean in 2013). He needs a strong second half of the season. Some are talking of Red Bull trading Sainz with Renault to get cheaper engines, but I think Kyvat would be a good choice for Renault. They have a Russian sponsors and significant manufacturing investments (Lada) in the country. He could blossom there against Magnussen.
Last year, he was strong on a few occasions (Monaco, Silverstone , Hungary being exceptional) and his drive in China was great. But, the team were right to take Max.
But we've seen many drivers bounce back from poor patches (Hamilton from a collision-strewn 2011, Grosjean in 2013). He needs a strong second half of the season. Some are talking of Red Bull trading Sainz with Renault to get cheaper engines, but I think Kyvat would be a good choice for Renault. They have a Russian sponsors and significant manufacturing investments (Lada) in the country. He could blossom there against Magnussen.
joefraser said:
I think the point being made is others gave him that name, due to his tenacity/ approach to racing.
Now he's calling himself it. I can't see Ricciardo ever being a champion, same with Daniil. Sainz and Verstappen on the other hand have championships in their future.
Ricciardo is evidently very good, but full judgement reserved until I see him under the pressure of having a title winning car. Same with Verstappen. For sure that smile will slip a little as it did this season. Could be a better inter-team battle than 2014.Now he's calling himself it. I can't see Ricciardo ever being a champion, same with Daniil. Sainz and Verstappen on the other hand have championships in their future.
I think Kvyat is the weak link in Red Bull / Torro Rosso's current roster and I would think he was vulnerable to being turfed out in favour of Gasly. RB / TR have shown themselves to be utterly mercenary when it comes to throwing out great drivers in favour of potentially outstanding ones.
Red Bull is abit of a toxic environment if you fall out of favour with Marko.
Verstappen is the money man - great for their PR - so he'll be pushed along, have mistakes forgiven, have 2nd or 3rd chances, the full might of Red Bull behind him, they'll put their arm around him and he'll be their poster boy for as long as he is interested - much like Vettel.
I dare say, in a completely neutral environment, they'll probably perform VERY close to each other.
Verstappen is the money man - great for their PR - so he'll be pushed along, have mistakes forgiven, have 2nd or 3rd chances, the full might of Red Bull behind him, they'll put their arm around him and he'll be their poster boy for as long as he is interested - much like Vettel.
I dare say, in a completely neutral environment, they'll probably perform VERY close to each other.
It must be difficult to be a Toro Rosso driver at the best of times, given the fact that a drive for the "lesser" Red Bull team seems to have been a poisoned chalice for so many good drivers: Sebastian Buemi, Jean-Eric Vergne, Jaime Alguersuari, all cast aside despite showing some real promise. Helmut Marko doesn't appear to tolerate anything less than 100% from his junior drivers in particular, and I suspect that includes not acting like a sulky teenager in front of the press, and especially not crashing into your team-mate.
From the perspective of an outsider Kvyat hasn't delivered, and he's done more harm than good. Carlos Sainz, however, looks like the real deal, but the route into the "senior" Red Bull team is currently blocked, and either of the two incumbents can and will win races and get the results that the team needs.
The "Sainz to Renault" conspiracy theory seems to be gaining traction, but would Marko want to lose him? It's not hard to imagine that he would dispense with Kvyat without a second thought, and pave the way for whoever is the next cab off of the Red Bull rank. Would he do it mid-season? Didn't stop him switching Verstappen and Kvyat, so there's every chance we might see an early start to the next driver-go-round.
From the perspective of an outsider Kvyat hasn't delivered, and he's done more harm than good. Carlos Sainz, however, looks like the real deal, but the route into the "senior" Red Bull team is currently blocked, and either of the two incumbents can and will win races and get the results that the team needs.
The "Sainz to Renault" conspiracy theory seems to be gaining traction, but would Marko want to lose him? It's not hard to imagine that he would dispense with Kvyat without a second thought, and pave the way for whoever is the next cab off of the Red Bull rank. Would he do it mid-season? Didn't stop him switching Verstappen and Kvyat, so there's every chance we might see an early start to the next driver-go-round.
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