Kvyat for the chop mid season?
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I wouldn't bet against it.
Red Bull are going to come up against some big names for Verstappen's signature later in the year and an early promotion to the senior team might help convince him to stay. Even if Ricciardo left at the end of the season would RB be upset to have Sainz as second driver instead of DK? I don't think so.
Kvyat has made some errors today, and not really done the business in the senior team, while Max is doing a fantastic job in the Torro Rosso. Red Bull have previous for ditching pilots mid season if they don't make the grade so I wonder how much longer he has left.
Red Bull are going to come up against some big names for Verstappen's signature later in the year and an early promotion to the senior team might help convince him to stay. Even if Ricciardo left at the end of the season would RB be upset to have Sainz as second driver instead of DK? I don't think so.
Kvyat has made some errors today, and not really done the business in the senior team, while Max is doing a fantastic job in the Torro Rosso. Red Bull have previous for ditching pilots mid season if they don't make the grade so I wonder how much longer he has left.
Likes Fast Cars said:
He just seems to be a liability at the moment.
Why? Pretty much everyone who knows what they're on about agreed that he was in the right last race. He dropped a boob today but IMHO only with the first contact and that was a first corner incident. If you bin every driver off for a first corner mistake you'd have to be pulling in drivers from the local taxi rank as there'd be no one left.The second impact? Racing incident as no one expects a driver to park it mid way through a bend with no one blocking him in front.
Three points;
1/ Seb is frustrated and trying to blame anyone but himself/his team for the poor performance
2/ TV need to find any angle to create a controversy as it's basically the Mercedes world championship at the moment.
3/ Max might be the latest angle for TV due to his age, but he hasn't exactly made Sainz look silly has he?
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Why? Pretty much everyone who knows what they're on about agreed that he was in the right last race. He dropped a boob today but IMHO only with the first contact and that was a first corner incident. If you bin every driver off for a first corner mistake you'd have to be pulling in drivers from the local taxi rank as there'd be no one left.
The second impact? Racing incident as no one expects a driver to park it mid way through a bend with no one blocking him in front.
Three points;
1/ Seb is frustrated and trying to blame anyone but himself/his team for the poor performance
2/ TV need to find any angle to create a controversy as it's basically the Mercedes world championship at the moment.
3/ Max might be the latest angle for TV due to his age, but he hasn't exactly made Sainz look silly has he?
This be the truth!The second impact? Racing incident as no one expects a driver to park it mid way through a bend with no one blocking him in front.
Three points;
1/ Seb is frustrated and trying to blame anyone but himself/his team for the poor performance
2/ TV need to find any angle to create a controversy as it's basically the Mercedes world championship at the moment.
3/ Max might be the latest angle for TV due to his age, but he hasn't exactly made Sainz look silly has he?
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Why? Pretty much everyone who knows what they're on about agreed that he was in the right last race. He dropped a boob today but IMHO only with the first contact and that was a first corner incident. If you bin every driver off for a first corner mistake you'd have to be pulling in drivers from the local taxi rank as there'd be no one left.
The second impact? Racing incident as no one expects a driver to park it mid way through a bend with no one blocking him in front.
Three points;
1/ Seb is frustrated and trying to blame anyone but himself/his team for the poor performance
2/ TV need to find any angle to create a controversy as it's basically the Mercedes world championship at the moment.
3/ Max might be the latest angle for TV due to his age, but he hasn't exactly made Sainz look silly has he?
Agree with everything you sayThe second impact? Racing incident as no one expects a driver to park it mid way through a bend with no one blocking him in front.
Three points;
1/ Seb is frustrated and trying to blame anyone but himself/his team for the poor performance
2/ TV need to find any angle to create a controversy as it's basically the Mercedes world championship at the moment.
3/ Max might be the latest angle for TV due to his age, but he hasn't exactly made Sainz look silly has he?
Jasandjules said:
A lot of drivers have a few errors in a season... I think was it ted asking Mr Horner who they called the Crash King at one point for example? And what about Romain?
It's not so much that his errors mean he deserves to be fired, more a combination of circumstances working against him.Red Bull REALLY want to hang on to Verstappen, it's inevitable he will be offered a promotion next season, the bigger question is if he will take that or head elsewhere. Helmut Marko has already said drivers at TR get two years to prove themselves, and promoting him earlier will help encourage him to stay as well as freeing up a seat at TR for the next new guy to step into on a 'trial' basis.
There won't be a seat for Kvyat next year at RB unless Ricciardo leaves (which looks unlikely) so why would Marko not decide to move early, tie in Verstappen for the longer term, and start bringing the next wave of drivers through?
I don't like Kvyat.
He's had some good drives but he's not a stand-out performer.
Out of the car his manner is obtuse and unapologetic. He doesn't seem smart. That he simply poked his bottom lip out, shrugged and blamed his team for his brake balance settings when interviewed about yesterday's race just demonstrates this. From my experience, he is a typical Russian.
I bet Jean Eric Vergne would've done as good a job.
If I were Helmut Marco I'd be weighing up Verstappen, Saintz and Riccardo.
He's had some good drives but he's not a stand-out performer.
Out of the car his manner is obtuse and unapologetic. He doesn't seem smart. That he simply poked his bottom lip out, shrugged and blamed his team for his brake balance settings when interviewed about yesterday's race just demonstrates this. From my experience, he is a typical Russian.
I bet Jean Eric Vergne would've done as good a job.
If I were Helmut Marco I'd be weighing up Verstappen, Saintz and Riccardo.
Edited by HustleRussell on Monday 2nd May 11:25
LaurasOtherHalf said:
3/ Max might be the latest angle for TV due to his age, but he hasn't exactly made Sainz look silly has he?
What people seem to forget, is how little experience Verstappen has - before coming into F1 he contested 11 Formula 3 meetings. Sochi was his 23rd F1 start, he's finished in the points in 11 of his last 14 races but has less racing experience than anyone on the GP2 grid, let alone in F1.He hasn't made Sainz look silly, but he has outqualified and outraced him, in spite of Sainz having five years of pretty intensive racing behind him - four more than Max.
Mastodon2 said:
Kvayt is a complete moron and deserves to be sacked.
What do you have to back this up? The "incident" last race was a superb overtake that caused Vettel to throw his dolly out of the pram, this week the first incident was just racing then Vettel backed off massively mid corner triggering the accident. I would like to see the data log from Vettel's car because it looked stupid to me. Other that that Kvyat seems to be doing OK to me.MKnight702 said:
Mastodon2 said:
Kvayt is a complete moron and deserves to be sacked.
What do you have to back this up? The "incident" last race was a superb overtake that caused Vettel to throw his dolly out of the pram, this week the first incident was just racing then Vettel backed off massively mid corner triggering the accident. I would like to see the data log from Vettel's car because it looked stupid to me. Other that that Kvyat seems to be doing OK to me.Not sure I'd miss him. He's average for F1, at best, and there'd be someone who could fill the space on the grid just as competently and with a bit more interest maybe.
There's no doubt Kvyat is driving for his seat. There's also no doubt that RBR have to promote Max to a race seat in order to keep him for 2017.
There's a every possibility that they would let Ricciardo go as a 'sacrifice' to Ferrari in order to keep Max, which means that there is still a chance for Kvyat to keep his seat if he impresses this year. He was promoted a year early to RBR largely because of the deal with Max.
Max raced with a friend of mine in Euro F3 and the views on him were that he was initially very fast but inconsistent...would most likely crash ( I recall his flying through the air at Pau) but that he learnt very quickly and it was clear that he was 'destined for other things'
There's a every possibility that they would let Ricciardo go as a 'sacrifice' to Ferrari in order to keep Max, which means that there is still a chance for Kvyat to keep his seat if he impresses this year. He was promoted a year early to RBR largely because of the deal with Max.
Max raced with a friend of mine in Euro F3 and the views on him were that he was initially very fast but inconsistent...would most likely crash ( I recall his flying through the air at Pau) but that he learnt very quickly and it was clear that he was 'destined for other things'
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