Grosjean rolls the dice
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move to Haas now definite. I hope it works out for him.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120977
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120977
He's already a has been. Spent too much time in the s
t team that is Lotus, crashed a lot and proven he isn't actually as good as he's made out to be. There's now 4 other drivers just in Red Bull cars who are better than he is and are more likely to end up in the best cars.
Had his chance against Kimi in the same car and got beaten, all he'll do now is wander round the back of the grid collecting a pay cheque being another wasted seat in the sport.
t team that is Lotus, crashed a lot and proven he isn't actually as good as he's made out to be. There's now 4 other drivers just in Red Bull cars who are better than he is and are more likely to end up in the best cars. Had his chance against Kimi in the same car and got beaten, all he'll do now is wander round the back of the grid collecting a pay cheque being another wasted seat in the sport.
DanielSan said:
He's already a has been. Spent too much time in the st team that is Lotus, crashed a lot and proven he isn't actually as good as he's made out to be. There's now 4 other drivers just in Red Bull cars who are better than he is and are more likely to end up in the best cars.
Had his chance against Kimi in the same car and got beaten, all he'll do now is wander round the back of the grid collecting a pay cheque being another wasted seat in the sport.
Well, Hamilton had his chance against Button in the same car and got beaten, but it didn't exactly make him a has been t team that is Lotus, crashed a lot and proven he isn't actually as good as he's made out to be. There's now 4 other drivers just in Red Bull cars who are better than he is and are more likely to end up in the best cars. Had his chance against Kimi in the same car and got beaten, all he'll do now is wander round the back of the grid collecting a pay cheque being another wasted seat in the sport.
DanielSan said:
He's already a has been. Spent too much time in the st team that is Lotus, crashed a lot and proven he isn't actually as good as he's made out to be. There's now 4 other drivers just in Red Bull cars who are better than he is and are more likely to end up in the best cars.
Had his chance against Kimi in the same car and got beaten, all he'll do now is wander round the back of the grid collecting a pay cheque being another wasted seat in the sport.
Welcome. We have so many questions... How did you get here? How do you like it here? Did you find interstellar travel a stressful experience? When are you planning on leaving? Soon? It's soon, isn't it?t team that is Lotus, crashed a lot and proven he isn't actually as good as he's made out to be. There's now 4 other drivers just in Red Bull cars who are better than he is and are more likely to end up in the best cars. Had his chance against Kimi in the same car and got beaten, all he'll do now is wander round the back of the grid collecting a pay cheque being another wasted seat in the sport.
HewManHeMan said:
DanielSan said:
He's already a has been. Spent too much time in the st team that is Lotus, crashed a lot and proven he isn't actually as good as he's made out to be. There's now 4 other drivers just in Red Bull cars who are better than he is and are more likely to end up in the best cars.
Had his chance against Kimi in the same car and got beaten, all he'll do now is wander round the back of the grid collecting a pay cheque being another wasted seat in the sport.
Welcome. We have so many questions... How did you get here? How do you like it here? Did you find interstellar travel a stressful experience? When are you planning on leaving? Soon? It's soon, isn't it?t team that is Lotus, crashed a lot and proven he isn't actually as good as he's made out to be. There's now 4 other drivers just in Red Bull cars who are better than he is and are more likely to end up in the best cars. Had his chance against Kimi in the same car and got beaten, all he'll do now is wander round the back of the grid collecting a pay cheque being another wasted seat in the sport.
Logie said:
Think Haas will be on par if not maybe a bit better then FI and Lotus of 2015. I mean, they pretty much a Ferrari and they get to use and test as much as they want atm using Ferrari wind tunnel
Indeed. I actually suspect HAAS will be into the middle of the pack.... Certainly will be interesting to see.Like any other new team in F1 I'll bet that Haas will be talking big and then arrive in Jerez with a car that's sitting firmly on the back of the grid. Grosjean has gone where there's a pay packet because none of the big teams want him. If they did he'd have been signed by one of them by now...
I guess he is hoping by supporting Haas the links with Ferrari may just open doors for him when Kimi retires.. The problem is joining a start up team he will be quickly forgotten if the car isn't up to scratch and he is cruising around 5 secs off the pace like Manor drivers. Plus if Renault do buy Lotus they will become a works team, presumably with a bigger budget and more motivation to perform....so it *could* end up being the place to be.
Plus Verstappen and Bottas will be potential competition for a seat with Ferrari when it becomes available.
To be fair Grosjean doesn't really have a strong hand to play does he? All the top seats are tied up and although he is beating his (very mediocre) team mate he is still only scoring the odd point due to the weakness in the car. If he sticks with Lotus there is no guarantee they wont go bust any second.......but if he moves to a start up team the risks are also massive.
Plus Verstappen and Bottas will be potential competition for a seat with Ferrari when it becomes available.
To be fair Grosjean doesn't really have a strong hand to play does he? All the top seats are tied up and although he is beating his (very mediocre) team mate he is still only scoring the odd point due to the weakness in the car. If he sticks with Lotus there is no guarantee they wont go bust any second.......but if he moves to a start up team the risks are also massive.
Edited by VolvoT5 on Sunday 27th September 20:36
I can see his logic, and suspect that Haas may do......OK eventually
I think he's done well leaving Lotus - they'll either fold (unlikely) or when they become Renault, will have a rubbish engine no-one wants.
Massive risk going to a start-up though. Just ask Kovalainen, Trulli, Glock, etc
I think he's done well leaving Lotus - they'll either fold (unlikely) or when they become Renault, will have a rubbish engine no-one wants.
Massive risk going to a start-up though. Just ask Kovalainen, Trulli, Glock, etc
kiseca said:
Funny how the pendulum swings. While in a Lotus Kimi was awesome and Grosjean was doing well when he started to keep up at the end. Two crap seasons in a Ferrari and he's rubbish again and Grosjean's stock goes down by proxy.
Why do you see this as his stock going down? Lead driver for the Ferrari "b" team?Vaud said:
kiseca said:
Funny how the pendulum swings. While in a Lotus Kimi was awesome and Grosjean was doing well when he started to keep up at the end. Two crap seasons in a Ferrari and he's rubbish again and Grosjean's stock goes down by proxy.
Why do you see this as his stock going down? Lead driver for the Ferrari "b" team?I hope he does well there, I like how he has matured from the crasher into a team leader at Lotus and I think he has a lot of pace hidden in there somewhere. Perhaps both he and Kimi don't really suit the new power units so well.
Gaz. said:
The 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon kind of thing? I think what has hurt his stock is that he hasn't blown Maldonado into the weeds.
I don't think anyone seriously believes that Maldonado's not quick, do they? Dreadful racer, agreed.and as for not blowing Maldo into the weeds, doesn't having three times as many points as your teammate count? Agreed, Romain still doesn't have a huge number of points in toto, but they've had a wretched reliability record this year.Gaz. said:
The 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon kind of thing? I think what has hurt his stock is that he hasn't blown Maldonado into the weeds.
True, but I'm one of the few that rates Mal (when he is on the track). He drove a good race in Japan.I would need to look back, but I wonder if there is a pattern of him over driving when his seat is in question?
Gaz. said:
That's the problem, their reliability has his Pastor harder than Romain, now is it luck of the draw as was the case with other teams last year, especially Ferrari or is it because Pastor is a bit primitive with the equipment?
Pastor is fast, very fast but he's also an idiot when he snaps the visor shut. Odd really as out of the car is is alleged to be one of the nicest guys in the entire paddock which considering is made up of 4500 people in the European races is quite an accolade.
I met Pastor at a sponsor event two years back. Absolutely charming (for all of the 90 seconds I was talking to him). That said, the one question I wanted to ask - "have you thought about not hitting every fPastor is fast, very fast but he's also an idiot when he snaps the visor shut. Odd really as out of the car is is alleged to be one of the nicest guys in the entire paddock which considering is made up of 4500 people in the European races is quite an accolade.
king car on the track? - might have elicited a different response.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff