Jenson & Jessica gassed and robbed
Discussion
Vocal Minority said:
Burglaries are not nice (rather goes without saying!) but the use of gas just makes it feel really freaking creepy.
Most unpleasant. But at least everyone is ok - at the end of the day the rest of it is only 'stuff' there was a real danger of people being hurt
I wonder which is worse, being gassed and sleeping through it or being woken up by a gang of violent thugs with guns.Most unpleasant. But at least everyone is ok - at the end of the day the rest of it is only 'stuff' there was a real danger of people being hurt
Without wishing to downplay the seriousness of the burglary, is there any actual proof for the gassing element? I note some versions of the story say "possibly", which does rather make it sound as though they're taking the approach of "some robberies in France have used gas, this was a robbery in France, therefore this may have used gas" rather than basing the claim on any actual evidence, the most obvious being medical. Seems odd for the police to tell a victim "you were gassed" but for there to be no report of any medical follow-up to determine what gas was used, which you'd think would be a pretty major strand of any investigation, especially given the values involved in some of the burglaries and the high profile nature of at least two of the victims.
A quick Google search reveals similar headlines dating back to at least 2006 and ranging in location from Thailand to Italy. In each of them, the gassing element is either from "a source", "a police report" or speculation by the victims themselves due to not being disturbed. There doesn't seem to be a shred of medical evidence, which doesn't strike me as being hugely difficult to obtain? I can't believe McLaren (or the FIA) would let Button set foot in an F1 car again until they can be sure there are no medical risks, and you'd have thought the results of such tests would be of interest to the various police forces who you'd hope would be investigating what seems to be an epidemic, but there's not a mention of any sort of medical tests of investigations in any of the reports, just speculation about "rogue" doctors selling stuff into the criminal underworld.
More than a ring of the urban myth about the gas element in all these stories IMO.
Eta - statement from the Royal College of Anaesthetists on the matter
Another thought is that if there is indeed a way of administering "sleeping gas" through air conditioning, sinks or anywhere else, why on earth would you use it for what seems to be mostly low value camper van and sleeper compartment robberies and not jewellers or banks?
A quick Google search reveals similar headlines dating back to at least 2006 and ranging in location from Thailand to Italy. In each of them, the gassing element is either from "a source", "a police report" or speculation by the victims themselves due to not being disturbed. There doesn't seem to be a shred of medical evidence, which doesn't strike me as being hugely difficult to obtain? I can't believe McLaren (or the FIA) would let Button set foot in an F1 car again until they can be sure there are no medical risks, and you'd have thought the results of such tests would be of interest to the various police forces who you'd hope would be investigating what seems to be an epidemic, but there's not a mention of any sort of medical tests of investigations in any of the reports, just speculation about "rogue" doctors selling stuff into the criminal underworld.
More than a ring of the urban myth about the gas element in all these stories IMO.
Eta - statement from the Royal College of Anaesthetists on the matter
Another thought is that if there is indeed a way of administering "sleeping gas" through air conditioning, sinks or anywhere else, why on earth would you use it for what seems to be mostly low value camper van and sleeper compartment robberies and not jewellers or banks?
Edited by hornet on Sunday 9th August 21:51
so you are on holiday
you go to bed and sleep heavily, you don't hear your apartment being broken into.
you wake up the next day feeling unwell
I can think of a far more commonly used drug that causes the above without the need to plumb complex aesthetic machinery into the air con system
you go to bed and sleep heavily, you don't hear your apartment being broken into.
you wake up the next day feeling unwell
I can think of a far more commonly used drug that causes the above without the need to plumb complex aesthetic machinery into the air con system
Russian Rocket said:
so you are on holiday
you go to bed and sleep heavily, you don't hear your apartment being broken into.
you wake up the next day feeling unwell
I can think of a far more commonly used drug that causes the above without the need to plumb complex aesthetic machinery into the air con system
She doesn't look the sort to be able to knock 15 pints of Stella back though you go to bed and sleep heavily, you don't hear your apartment being broken into.
you wake up the next day feeling unwell
I can think of a far more commonly used drug that causes the above without the need to plumb complex aesthetic machinery into the air con system
I see that Jenson's PR team has been showing he has just done a 10km run and is fully fit.
That's good news. I'd imagine they are trying to cover themselves in case Ron is pondering substituting him with a well-funded Belgian driver at the Belgian GP...... http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns31588.html
That's good news. I'd imagine they are trying to cover themselves in case Ron is pondering substituting him with a well-funded Belgian driver at the Belgian GP...... http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns31588.html
hornet said:
Without wishing to downplay the seriousness of the burglary, is there any actual proof for the gassing element? I note some versions of the story say "possibly", which does rather make it sound as though they're taking the approach of "some robberies in France have used gas, this was a robbery in France, therefore this may have used gas" rather than basing the claim on any actual evidence, the most obvious being medical. Seems odd for the police to tell a victim "you were gassed" but for there to be no report of any medical follow-up to determine what gas was used, which you'd think would be a pretty major strand of any investigation, especially given the values involved in some of the burglaries and the high profile nature of at least two of the victims.
A quick Google search reveals similar headlines dating back to at least 2006 and ranging in location from Thailand to Italy. In each of them, the gassing element is either from "a source", "a police report" or speculation by the victims themselves due to not being disturbed. There doesn't seem to be a shred of medical evidence, which doesn't strike me as being hugely difficult to obtain? I can't believe McLaren (or the FIA) would let Button set foot in an F1 car again until they can be sure there are no medical risks, and you'd have thought the results of such tests would be of interest to the various police forces who you'd hope would be investigating what seems to be an epidemic, but there's not a mention of any sort of medical tests of investigations in any of the reports, just speculation about "rogue" doctors selling stuff into the criminal underworld.
More than a ring of the urban myth about the gas element in all these stories IMO.
Eta - statement from the Royal College of Anaesthetists on the matter
Another thought is that if there is indeed a way of administering "sleeping gas" through air conditioning, sinks or anywhere else, why on earth would you use it for what seems to be mostly low value camper van and sleeper compartment robberies and not jewellers or banks?
I think there is no actual evidence for pretty much any of these stories. Think the BBC had a story on it and said there was no recorded case - you'd have to get the right amount of gas, hope it ends up in the right part of the building etc. Much easier methods than this.A quick Google search reveals similar headlines dating back to at least 2006 and ranging in location from Thailand to Italy. In each of them, the gassing element is either from "a source", "a police report" or speculation by the victims themselves due to not being disturbed. There doesn't seem to be a shred of medical evidence, which doesn't strike me as being hugely difficult to obtain? I can't believe McLaren (or the FIA) would let Button set foot in an F1 car again until they can be sure there are no medical risks, and you'd have thought the results of such tests would be of interest to the various police forces who you'd hope would be investigating what seems to be an epidemic, but there's not a mention of any sort of medical tests of investigations in any of the reports, just speculation about "rogue" doctors selling stuff into the criminal underworld.
More than a ring of the urban myth about the gas element in all these stories IMO.
Eta - statement from the Royal College of Anaesthetists on the matter
Another thought is that if there is indeed a way of administering "sleeping gas" through air conditioning, sinks or anywhere else, why on earth would you use it for what seems to be mostly low value camper van and sleeper compartment robberies and not jewellers or banks?
Edited by hornet on Sunday 9th August 21:51
Redlake27 said:
I see that Jenson's PR team has been showing he has just done a 10km run and is fully fit.
That's good news. I'd imagine they are trying to cover themselves in case Ron is pondering substituting him with a well-funded Belgian driver at the Belgian GP...... http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns31588.html
If you follow his Strava account (cycling/running tracking site) he was out cycling the next day, so can't have been many physical side effects. That's good news. I'd imagine they are trying to cover themselves in case Ron is pondering substituting him with a well-funded Belgian driver at the Belgian GP...... http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns31588.html
NRS said:
I think there is no actual evidence for pretty much any of these stories. Think the BBC had a story on it and said there was no recorded case - you'd have to get the right amount of gas, hope it ends up in the right part of the building etc. Much easier methods than this.
And, if the CSI and forensic science team were on the ball, they'd probably be able to find traces of the gas by doing a headspace analysis of the atmosphere or emissions from some nice absorbent fabrics or other materials present at the scene. AFAIK, no-one has ever found traces of such a gas at any robbery scene.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff