Horner to get the sack?

Horner to get the sack?

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suffolk009

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5,686 posts

171 months

Tuesday 23rd June 2015
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Just been reading that Horner was contacted by another team boss over the weekend. The conversation went something along the lines of, "sorry to hear the bad news, chin-up and all that".

In all seriousness though, isn't it more likely that the Red Bull owner would try a new team boss before walking away from the sport?

MattOz

3,930 posts

270 months

Tuesday 23rd June 2015
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Having signed a new multi-year deal late last year, I'd be surprised. However, anything is possible in the world of F1.

covboy

2,589 posts

180 months

Tuesday 23rd June 2015
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He's got a high maintenance missus now

FW18

243 posts

147 months

Tuesday 23rd June 2015
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Well Helmut Marko pretty much runs the team anyway, so wouldn't be much change TBH.

Inertiatic

1,040 posts

196 months

Tuesday 23rd June 2015
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Horner, Marko, Machestz... Not the most likeable bunch are they! :-)

Schermerhorn

4,345 posts

195 months

Tuesday 23rd June 2015
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Why should he get the sack? He is probably working overtime to get the team back to the front.


If the team's failure is down to him (since we're looking for a scapegoat here) then he must be responsible for all of the success too right?

Sacking people seems to be F1's answer to everything and it's the ultimate cop out.

Inertiatic

1,040 posts

196 months

Tuesday 23rd June 2015
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Schermerhorn said:
Why should he get the sack? He is probably working overtime to get the team back to the front.


If the team's failure is down to him (since we're looking for a scapegoat here) then he must be responsible for all of the success too right?

Sacking people seems to be F1's answer to everything and it's the ultimate cop out.
I'd agree with that - although there is a massive ego problem at red bull however I don't think it purely stems from Horner...

Some Gump

12,838 posts

192 months

Tuesday 23rd June 2015
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They can point fingers at Renault all they like, but they're not massively outperforming torro rosso. Scary considering the relative budgets!

Schermerhorn

4,345 posts

195 months

Wednesday 24th June 2015
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Take away aerodynamic creativity and Adrian Newey will not build a great winning car.

His forte is exhaust blown diffusers. This didnt just start with the 2009 regulations but with all his leading and winning cars going back to the Layton House March of 1989.

His Williams had trick rear aerodynamics as did the Mclarens.

His peak expertise is exhaust enhanced rear end, better than anyone else.

groomi

9,319 posts

249 months

Wednesday 24th June 2015
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Horner was innefective with the underperforming Jaguar team. I think he was lucky to stay on and find a technical team who could move Red Bull forward.

aeropilot

36,213 posts

233 months

Wednesday 24th June 2015
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Schermerhorn said:
Take away aerodynamic creativity and Adrian Newey will not build a great winning car.

His forte is exhaust blown diffusers. This didnt just start with the 2009 regulations but with all his leading and winning cars going back to the Layton House March of 1989.

His Williams had trick rear aerodynamics as did the Mclarens.

His peak expertise is exhaust enhanced rear end, better than anyone else.
Which begs the question how well he'll do with designing an Americas Cup yacht given that there's not much in the way of engine exhaust to use there hehe

Composite Guru

2,273 posts

209 months

Wednesday 24th June 2015
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groomi said:
Horner was innefective with the underperforming Jaguar team. I think he was lucky to stay on and find a technical team who could move Red Bull forward.
Horner never worked there when Jaguar owned it.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

280 months

Wednesday 24th June 2015
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aeropilot said:
Which begs the question how well he'll do with designing an Americas Cup yacht given that there's not much in the way of engine exhaust to use there hehe
Humm....

engine exhaust - moving gas stream.

Wind - moving gas stream.

they are not slow boats:

The fastest race speed recorded was on Emirates Team New Zealand which was 47.57 knots (88 km/h, 55 mph) in 21.8 knots of wind (2.2 times the wind speed) on September 24, 2013

aeropilot

36,213 posts

233 months

Wednesday 24th June 2015
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Scuffers said:
aeropilot said:
Which begs the question how well he'll do with designing an Americas Cup yacht given that there's not much in the way of engine exhaust to use there hehe
Humm....

engine exhaust - moving gas stream.

Wind - moving gas stream.

they are not slow boats:

The fastest race speed recorded was on Emirates Team New Zealand which was 47.57 knots (88 km/h, 55 mph) in 21.8 knots of wind (2.2 times the wind speed) on September 24, 2013
I was jesting hence the hehe



Scuffers

20,887 posts

280 months

Wednesday 24th June 2015
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ash73 said:
Because sacking Martin Whitmarsh helped McLaren *so* much, didn't it? RD has been brilliant.
To be fair, that's the least of their problems.

Look at the other people they lost in the last 3 years.

Then we get to Honda.

Flying Toilet

3,621 posts

217 months

Thursday 25th June 2015
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groomi said:
Horner was innefective with the underperforming Jaguar team. I think he was lucky to stay on and find a technical team who could move Red Bull forward.
He was innefective because he was still running his own team then.

marshall100

1,124 posts

207 months

Thursday 25th June 2015
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Sacking people seems to have worked out pretty well for Ferrari...