Is the test ban ruining F1

Is the test ban ruining F1

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Adrian W

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14,329 posts

234 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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Alonso and Button have both broken pretty much before the weekend have even started, would an amount of testing stop things like this happening ?

stephen300o

15,464 posts

234 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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The cars are pretty reliable now, certainly more so than back when there was infinite testing.
It's just really dull at the minute, no competition, no wow factor.

Some Gump

12,838 posts

192 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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Yes, but it's only 1 factor on a long list of cack that is ruining f1.

b0rk

2,345 posts

152 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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Powertrain testing in season or out of season is only limited by the budget of the PU manufacturer. Honda could have a complete McLaren backend set-up on dyno in tokyo or MK if they wanted to sort out why the system seems to lunch its self regularly. Ferrari ditto and considering their general reliability I'd wager they actually do have one somewhere within Maranello.

Adrian W

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14,329 posts

234 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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The powertrain testing can't be that straightforward, there is no way a company like Honda would get it so dramatically wrong, the testing rules must apply to powetrain development as well, otherwise I would expect the dyno' to be running 24 hours a day seven days a week.

carinaman

21,857 posts

178 months

Sunday 7th June 2015
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What about the younger drviers getting experience? During the conference on Thursday didn't Button criticise Verstappen for saying he was brake tested at Monaco.

Perhaps testing wouldn't have made any difference in that situation, but the youngsters weren't given the opportunity to get test mileage like Button & Hamilton did when they were coming up. Perhaps F1 being not much faster and GP2 and simulators means that drivers coming up don't need test mileage so much? Would the young Red Bull drivers rejected after not much of an oportunity to prove themselves have benefitted from testing mileage.

Would the safety of F1 been improved if youngsters coming up had had the opportunity to get more test mileage?

Perhaps Verstappen doing so well at Monaco having never driven there before shows that drivers don't need testing mileage?

Crafty_

13,431 posts

206 months

Sunday 7th June 2015
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Button never had any test mileage, he had a few tests for McLaren, Prost & Williams but thats all. By the time Lewis was coming along test bands were in place IIRC - he would have done simulator work if anything. Established drivers complaining about the new boy is hardly a new situation, testing or otherwise.

Teams are generally against large amounts of testing because of the expense, either way as pointed out above Honda could have an engine being tested 24/7.. just takes time to get to the top. Honda's main problem is that their return was massively overhyped - many people just assumed they'd instantly match Mercedes. When it comes down to it Mercedes have dominated engine wise for how long ? 15 years ? maybe more back to Mika's era ? It was a huge ask to get anywhere close to be honest.

They will get there sooner or later.


anonymous-user

60 months

Sunday 7th June 2015
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What makes you so certain? Honda have been behind on powertrain performance for a very long time, it took a Mercedes engine shoe horned into a decent Brawn(Honda) chassis to win the championship.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

280 months

Sunday 7th June 2015
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Adrian W said:
The powertrain testing can't be that straightforward, there is no way a company like Honda would get it so dramatically wrong, the testing rules must apply to powetrain development as well, otherwise I would expect the dyno' to be running 24 hours a day seven days a week.
sadly it is..

they could have 100+ engines on dyno's so far as the rules are concerned.

all they are not allowed to do is run it in an F1 car on a track.


Crafty_

13,431 posts

206 months

Sunday 7th June 2015
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The pre 2009 Honda engine wasn't bad, its just the chassis/aero sucked and Honda as an organisation couldn't run an effective F1 team, which is why they hired Ross Brawn.

The 2009 Brawn's advantage was down to the fact that Brawn came in, got the team structured so it could work effectively and then gave the aero team the target of the diffuser/blown bits etc whilst making sure the chassis was at least half decent. Supremely poor timing given the state of the world in 2008, Honda felt morally obliged to pull out.

Had Honda continued I think they would have still won the WCC/WDC, possibly it may have been a little easier as there would have been more money for in season development, which Brawn barely did due to running the whole set up on a shoestring - the rest of the teams were catching up fast in the second half of the year.




Scuffers

20,887 posts

280 months

Sunday 7th June 2015
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Crafty_ said:
The pre 2009 Honda engine wasn't bad, its just the chassis/aero sucked and Honda as an organisation couldn't run an effective F1 team, which is why they hired Ross Brawn.

The 2009 Brawn's advantage was down to the fact that Brawn came in, got the team structured so it could work effectively and then gave the aero team the target of the diffuser/blown bits etc whilst making sure the chassis was at least half decent. Supremely poor timing given the state of the world in 2008, Honda felt morally obliged to pull out.

Had Honda continued I think they would have still won the WCC/WDC, possibly it may have been a little easier as there would have been more money for in season development, which Brawn barely did due to running the whole set up on a shoestring - the rest of the teams were catching up fast in the second half of the year.
not forgetting that the car was not designed by Honda either (super aguri)

slipstream 1985

12,734 posts

185 months

Sunday 7th June 2015
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Scuffers said:
Crafty_ said:
The pre 2009 Honda engine wasn't bad, its just the chassis/aero sucked and Honda as an organisation couldn't run an effective F1 team, which is why they hired Ross Brawn.

The 2009 Brawn's advantage was down to the fact that Brawn came in, got the team structured so it could work effectively and then gave the aero team the target of the diffuser/blown bits etc whilst making sure the chassis was at least half decent. Supremely poor timing given the state of the world in 2008, Honda felt morally obliged to pull out.

Had Honda continued I think they would have still won the WCC/WDC, possibly it may have been a little easier as there would have been more money for in season development, which Brawn barely did due to running the whole set up on a shoestring - the rest of the teams were catching up fast in the second half of the year.
not forgetting that the car was not designed by Honda either (super aguri)
Also the 2008 championship ferrari and mclaren were bashing each other on the development of cars soon become extinct and forgot to develop their new car. Everyone else had given up that year but there was a championship scrap on until the end.

MissChief

7,221 posts

174 months

Sunday 7th June 2015
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Ferrari are the main force behind removing the testing ban. So would you if you had a track out the back of the factory to drive round 300 times a day with a dedicated testing team as they used to do.