New team for 2016/17
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https://twitter.com/NobleF1/status/603998660947501...
Interesting.
Could it be the long awaited arrival of Audi ?
maybe not.
ART ? http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/art-would-consid...
Either way this will be Honda or Renault powered... maybe a new engine manufacturer. Merc are at capacity and Ferrari will be with Haas coming on board next year.
ETA: Further thoughts...
Is this because Haas have bailed and the FIA are trying to fill the slot ?
If, whoever applies, is ready to go for next year they must have infrastructure/something resembling a team already in place - aside from the actual team one would assume sponsorship deals, tyre / engine contract etc.
Ted Kravitz noted that Gerhard Berger has been hanging around at more or less every GP this year. "Whats he up to?" he asked Jackie Stewart.
Are Red Bull really getting an Audi engine and this is a Renault works entry ? didn't they say something about coming back recently ?
Interesting.
Could it be the long awaited arrival of Audi ?
maybe not.
ART ? http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/art-would-consid...
Either way this will be Honda or Renault powered... maybe a new engine manufacturer. Merc are at capacity and Ferrari will be with Haas coming on board next year.
ETA: Further thoughts...
Is this because Haas have bailed and the FIA are trying to fill the slot ?
If, whoever applies, is ready to go for next year they must have infrastructure/something resembling a team already in place - aside from the actual team one would assume sponsorship deals, tyre / engine contract etc.
Ted Kravitz noted that Gerhard Berger has been hanging around at more or less every GP this year. "Whats he up to?" he asked Jackie Stewart.
Are Red Bull really getting an Audi engine and this is a Renault works entry ? didn't they say something about coming back recently ?
Edited by Crafty_ on Thursday 28th May 20:40
Edited by Crafty_ on Thursday 28th May 20:55
Crafty_ said:
It was only last week Audi said they weren't interested, again. Megaflow said:
New team for 2016?
The *only* way a new team is entering F1 next year, is if they are heavily reliant on one of the existings teams, and effectively running a customer car, like Super Aguri.
I'd agree with this no business in their right mind would consider entering F1 as it is.The *only* way a new team is entering F1 next year, is if they are heavily reliant on one of the existings teams, and effectively running a customer car, like Super Aguri.
FIA have said if they don't like the look of the applicants they won't grant anyone an entry.
Megaflow's comment is (I believe) more aimed at the logistics of getting a car to the grid, given that the entry won't be granted until September. There are plenty of companies who see value in F1.
Also, rumours circulating that Renault either have already bought or are just about to complete purchase of Lotus. Allegedly they want to put Bob Bell back in charge. Also, Lopez hasn't been seen at any races this year other than Bercelona, where talks are said to have taken place about the sale.
Megaflow's comment is (I believe) more aimed at the logistics of getting a car to the grid, given that the entry won't be granted until September. There are plenty of companies who see value in F1.
Also, rumours circulating that Renault either have already bought or are just about to complete purchase of Lotus. Allegedly they want to put Bob Bell back in charge. Also, Lopez hasn't been seen at any races this year other than Bercelona, where talks are said to have taken place about the sale.
Megaflow said:
New team for 2016?
The *only* way a new team is entering F1 next year, is if they are heavily reliant on one of the existings teams, and effectively running a customer car, like Super Aguri.
The sort of thing I could see happening is ART "buy" Marussia and have technical support from McLaren/Honda.The *only* way a new team is entering F1 next year, is if they are heavily reliant on one of the existings teams, and effectively running a customer car, like Super Aguri.
Wouldn't give us more cars on the Grid but would be a "new" team.
From scratch though. Like you say. Not a chance.
Thing is if ART bought Manor, they'd already have an entry. This is all about a new team, like Haas coming in.
I'm not up on the exact rules, but for example lets say Prodrive came in could they do a technology share with (say) Manor ? Obviously their chassis would need to differ but could they work together on Aero research/testing, vehicle dynamics etc, drivetrain etc ?
I only use those names as Dave Richards was seen in the Manor garage earlier this year.
The only other way it'll happen is if someone has a race team, car fabrication sponsor deals etc all set up... I should imagine any of the WEC teams could get a car together in time, especially if they already know (on the quiet) that they have the entry and this whole thing is a charade just to make it look "fair". This would mean they could be putting the car together now.
Most likely though, is that if an entry is accepted they'll join the grid in 2017.
I'm not up on the exact rules, but for example lets say Prodrive came in could they do a technology share with (say) Manor ? Obviously their chassis would need to differ but could they work together on Aero research/testing, vehicle dynamics etc, drivetrain etc ?
I only use those names as Dave Richards was seen in the Manor garage earlier this year.
The only other way it'll happen is if someone has a race team, car fabrication sponsor deals etc all set up... I should imagine any of the WEC teams could get a car together in time, especially if they already know (on the quiet) that they have the entry and this whole thing is a charade just to make it look "fair". This would mean they could be putting the car together now.
Most likely though, is that if an entry is accepted they'll join the grid in 2017.
Gaz. said:
It is certainly an option, big modernish factory iirc and obviously lots of ties.
The other option is to buy Torro Rosso.
But the FIA are talking about a 12th team so it can't be a buyout of an existing team unless they buy Toyota's Cologne factory and in this instance perhaps it is Toyota themselves who want to return, they have loads of money, loads of data from other teams using their facility and making parts for them and it would suit their agenda too.
The way I see it, the following are possibilities:
ART-Honda
Toyota return
Renault buy Cologne
Renault enter with a new factory
Audi Joest enter
With Lotus being almost still spiritually the renault team, (I still refer to them as renault without thinking half the time), and while down certainally not out, and with a team as prolific as red bull still "on the books" so to speak I struggle to see what an upstart renault factory team would hope to achieve?The other option is to buy Torro Rosso.
But the FIA are talking about a 12th team so it can't be a buyout of an existing team unless they buy Toyota's Cologne factory and in this instance perhaps it is Toyota themselves who want to return, they have loads of money, loads of data from other teams using their facility and making parts for them and it would suit their agenda too.
The way I see it, the following are possibilities:
ART-Honda
Toyota return
Renault buy Cologne
Renault enter with a new factory
Audi Joest enter
The obvious choice has to be something honda powered so they can get some more miles on the lumps and stop embarrassing themselves so badly. It can be a manoresque 11th hour cobble for '16 with a view to doing something proper for '17 so long as they get miles on the engine. The fact honda don't seem to think they desperately need this doesn't bode well.
The Renault engineers wouldn't be able to get anywhere near the Mercedes engines, even if they bought the team, in the same way I seriously doubt the Honda engineers got a proper look at it at McLaren last year. The engines are all sealed units and will be tended exclusively by Mercedes engineers and representatives. They won't leave them just lying around in the customer teams' factories.
For a new team to be up and running in 2016 starting whenever the FIA give them an entry will be a huge task. Simply getting a car designed in that time would be difficult, never mind fabricating it - with virtually all other formulae below F1 now running with spec chassis none of the teams have the in-house expertise in designing and manufacturing a chassis from scratch, so a lot would depend on whether the new team would be allowed to use a chassis from an outside supplier such as Dallara.
You can have a chassis made by whoever you like, indeed Haas's plan for a 2015 entry was to have Dallara build them a chassis but they shelved that idea and wanted until 2016.
The successful applicant can delay until 2017 if they wish.
Alternatively this process could just be a charade and the FIA have already (unofficially) given someone the nod.
The successful applicant can delay until 2017 if they wish.
Alternatively this process could just be a charade and the FIA have already (unofficially) given someone the nod.
Crafty_ said:
If Renault buy Lotus I would expect they'd keep the Lotus name and Merc engines for this season and then start next year with the new name. They could even wait until the winter to buy/annunce the change? Meantime they can make their management changes/hires etc.
who's going to pay out the Merc engine deal? (it;s a multi-year contract)Quite possible there are break clauses in the contract, probably with a penalty - just an expense of taking the team over.
Ultimately if its going to happen what are Merc going to do? force another manufacturer to run their engine ? not going to happen. Possible they can pick up supply to the new team If it appears) anyway.
Ultimately if its going to happen what are Merc going to do? force another manufacturer to run their engine ? not going to happen. Possible they can pick up supply to the new team If it appears) anyway.
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