new points system to aquire superlicence
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Lot of noise being made about this - renault have suggested it unfairly favours F3/F4 over their FR3.5/FR2.0 series
Not sure about the need for it personally- we've had a few clowns over the years but was this really required?
Lot of noise being made about this - renault have suggested it unfairly favours F3/F4 over their FR3.5/FR2.0 series
Not sure about the need for it personally- we've had a few clowns over the years but was this really required?
hairyben said:
was this really required?
IMO, yes. Couple of reasons:Firstly, if drivers can fast track to F1 to the degree that they have been able to in the past, it has the effect of de-valuing the lower formulae most of which are themselves under financial pressure already. Look at what's happened to British F3! I can recall a time not so long ago that places like Brands Hatch were rammed for F3 rounds as people knew they were watching future F1 stars. Now, the most drivers can hope for is a BTCC or GT drive.
Secondly, it is a step towards de-coupling driver progression based upon available budget and instead, favouring talent (F1 should have the best drivers available to it, not the richest). Pay-drivers have always been a factor in F1 but the predominance of them at the moment and likely in the future is too much.
Thirdly, it allows drivers to develop a bit of 'character' before they step into the limelight that is F1 as well as develop a bit of fame. In the past, when drivers were mentioned as possible F1 drivers, those that follow the sport will likely have heard of them. I still read and follow all Motor Sports but most of the kids popping up on the F1 horizon these days, I've never heard of!
StevieBee said:
IMO, yes. Couple of reasons:
Firstly, if drivers can fast track to F1 to the degree that they have been able to in the past, it has the effect of de-valuing the lower formulae most of which are themselves under financial pressure already. Look at what's happened to British F3! I can recall a time not so long ago that places like Brands Hatch were rammed for F3 rounds as people knew they were watching future F1 stars. Now, the most drivers can hope for is a BTCC or GT drive.
Secondly, it is a step towards de-coupling driver progression based upon available budget and instead, favouring talent (F1 should have the best drivers available to it, not the richest). Pay-drivers have always been a factor in F1 but the predominance of them at the moment and likely in the future is too much.
Thirdly, it allows drivers to develop a bit of 'character' before they step into the limelight that is F1 as well as develop a bit of fame. In the past, when drivers were mentioned as possible F1 drivers, those that follow the sport will likely have heard of them. I still read and follow all Motor Sports but most of the kids popping up on the F1 horizon these days, I've never heard of!
Senna, Prost, Mansell, Brundle jumped from F3 to F1.Firstly, if drivers can fast track to F1 to the degree that they have been able to in the past, it has the effect of de-valuing the lower formulae most of which are themselves under financial pressure already. Look at what's happened to British F3! I can recall a time not so long ago that places like Brands Hatch were rammed for F3 rounds as people knew they were watching future F1 stars. Now, the most drivers can hope for is a BTCC or GT drive.
Secondly, it is a step towards de-coupling driver progression based upon available budget and instead, favouring talent (F1 should have the best drivers available to it, not the richest). Pay-drivers have always been a factor in F1 but the predominance of them at the moment and likely in the future is too much.
Thirdly, it allows drivers to develop a bit of 'character' before they step into the limelight that is F1 as well as develop a bit of fame. In the past, when drivers were mentioned as possible F1 drivers, those that follow the sport will likely have heard of them. I still read and follow all Motor Sports but most of the kids popping up on the F1 horizon these days, I've never heard of!
Button did a bit of F3 - nothing special on paper and ended up as WDC.
The problem has been the saturation o formulae which I blame squarley on Nissan World Series which started the ball rolling.
PW said:
The new system literally devalues the lower formulae by making non-FIA series worth fewer points.
It doesn't take into account quality drivers who have had DNFs through unreliability or being crashed into costing them the necessary results.
Experienced F1 test & reserve drivers will have to be given an F1 seat/ go and win a championship every 3 years, or end their careers.
It doesn't guarantee quality: Maldonado qualifies under the new system, Alonso, Raikkonen, Button, Vettel, Ricciardo & Massa would not have.
Sums it up nicely. But I predict it'll all change. It doesn't take into account quality drivers who have had DNFs through unreliability or being crashed into costing them the necessary results.
Experienced F1 test & reserve drivers will have to be given an F1 seat/ go and win a championship every 3 years, or end their careers.
It doesn't guarantee quality: Maldonado qualifies under the new system, Alonso, Raikkonen, Button, Vettel, Ricciardo & Massa would not have.
PW said:
Experienced F1 test & reserve drivers will have to be given an F1 seat/ go and win a championship every 3 years, or end their careers.
It puts a hard timeline for a professional test or reserve driver to get a race seat, do the current qualifying championships provide enough drivers every three years to ensure each team can nominate a reserve driver and provide the teams with a element of choice in terms who is picked/contracted?Long term the new system will surely create a situation where "simulator drivers" are unable to drive the real car in P1/P2 to work on resolving any collation issues between the two. There will be an incentive under the new system for a driver to not win GP2 unless they have an F1 race seat contract so they can continue gaining license points until a seat becomes available.
StevieBee said:
Secondly, it is a step towards de-coupling driver progression based upon available budget and instead, favouring talent (F1 should have the best drivers available to it, not the richest). Pay-drivers have always been a factor in F1 but the predominance of them at the moment and likely in the future is too much.
I disagree with this point. The new points rule will make the top feeder formulas even more expensive than they are, GP2 for example is already very expensive. I fear this might actually increase the amount of pay drivers as with the focus on winning you'll have to pay even more for a top seat lower down. We'll see though.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff