By an order of magnitude the best driver line-up 2015?
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That's today;s burning question, what exactly is the order of magnitude and the criteria used? You could also argue it's Kimi and Vettel.
Pastor Maldonado would no doubt say it's him and Grosjean (measured using the history data of crashes, bashes and general carnage caused)
Certainly Hammers & Rosberg are at the moment arguably the best.
Pastor Maldonado would no doubt say it's him and Grosjean (measured using the history data of crashes, bashes and general carnage caused)
Certainly Hammers & Rosberg are at the moment arguably the best.
entropy said:
Methinks its Rosberg & Hamliton.
My vote would be Button and Alonso, I'm not saying they'll have the machinery but they have the experience and time after time it shows.Rosberg IMVHO lets the Merc duo down, he has been quick this year thanks to the car but when the hammer is down Lewis has repeatedly made him look second rate.
Same with Ferrari, both Seb and Kimi had pretty dire 2014, they have the most WDC's between them but with so many previous champions on the grid that doesn't count for much.
I wish the Williams duo had scored a win this year, they deserved it IMO, perhaps in 2015- in which case I'd bet on Bottas.
I think the Hamilton - Rosberg pairing is hard to beat, Rosberg has proved to be a lot better than most people gave him credit for.
Vettel & Raikkonen is still a very strong pairing, but after a bad year both do have something to prove. But unlike a lot of people I don't think one bad year discredits all the previous success and quality that both drivers have shown. I rate both above Button for example.
Alonso is obviously great but hasn't won anything in a long time. Button well, until this year nobody rated him in the same category as the very best, seems odd to me that one good year vs a rookie team mate and he is elevated a level. The other problem for Mclaren is Alonso seems to eventually cause waves wherever he goes, great as he is he does not have a reputation for being a team player or someone that is easy to work with.
How much time will the team have to waste massaging Fernando's ego?
Vettel & Raikkonen is still a very strong pairing, but after a bad year both do have something to prove. But unlike a lot of people I don't think one bad year discredits all the previous success and quality that both drivers have shown. I rate both above Button for example.
Alonso is obviously great but hasn't won anything in a long time. Button well, until this year nobody rated him in the same category as the very best, seems odd to me that one good year vs a rookie team mate and he is elevated a level. The other problem for Mclaren is Alonso seems to eventually cause waves wherever he goes, great as he is he does not have a reputation for being a team player or someone that is easy to work with.
How much time will the team have to waste massaging Fernando's ego?
VolvoT5 said:
Button well, until this year nobody rated him in the same category as the very best, seems odd to me that one good year vs a rookie team mate and he is elevated a level.
A level above when he won the WDC, or a level above when he compared quite well to Hamilton during there time together?
It's just Ron using impressive language he doesn't understand, and since the majority of punters listening to his guff don't understand it either, he can get away with it.
If you're defining something as being better by "an order of magnitude", it means that it is around 10x better than the next nearest. Since Vettel alone can outscore the combined championship wins of Button and Alonso, it seem a very stupid thing to say, at least to an intelligent audience.
Button and Alonso have 47 wins between them, and since the drivers of Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari and Williams all have combined win totals easily of the same magnitude, like a lot of things said in this saga, it's really a load of b
ks.
If you're defining something as being better by "an order of magnitude", it means that it is around 10x better than the next nearest. Since Vettel alone can outscore the combined championship wins of Button and Alonso, it seem a very stupid thing to say, at least to an intelligent audience.
Button and Alonso have 47 wins between them, and since the drivers of Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari and Williams all have combined win totals easily of the same magnitude, like a lot of things said in this saga, it's really a load of b
ks.Here's what the Team Principles think about the drivers:
http://m.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117125/f...
AUTOSPORT TEAM PRINCIPALS' TOP 10 2014 USING F1 POINTS SYSTEM
1. LEWIS HAMILTON (194 points)
2. FERNANDO ALONSO (155 points)
3. DANIEL RICCIARDO (135 points)
4. VALTTERI BOTTAS (119 points)
5. NICO ROSBERG (115 points)
6. FELIPE MASSA (55 points)
7. SEBASTIAN VETTEL (53 points)
8. JULES BIANCHI (44 points)
9. JENSON BUTTON (40 points)
10. DANIIL KVYAT (28 points)
They are not so keen on our Jenson
Lewis & Nico have it
http://m.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117125/f...
AUTOSPORT TEAM PRINCIPALS' TOP 10 2014 USING F1 POINTS SYSTEM
1. LEWIS HAMILTON (194 points)
2. FERNANDO ALONSO (155 points)
3. DANIEL RICCIARDO (135 points)
4. VALTTERI BOTTAS (119 points)
5. NICO ROSBERG (115 points)
6. FELIPE MASSA (55 points)
7. SEBASTIAN VETTEL (53 points)
8. JULES BIANCHI (44 points)
9. JENSON BUTTON (40 points)
10. DANIIL KVYAT (28 points)
They are not so keen on our Jenson
Lewis & Nico have it
VolvoT5 said:
Vocal Minority said:
Didn't he outscore Hamilton over the 3 sea......
...oh sorry has that been done?
...oh sorry has that been done?
There should be an instant 24 hour ban for mentioning that now. It is as interesting as the old "335d remapped" in general gassing.
And "Let me Google that for you."
also "Corrected that for you."
and other such nonsense on here.
dr_gn said:
Button and Alonso have 47 wins between them, and since the drivers of Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari and Williams all have combined win totals easily of the same magnitude, like a lot of things said in this saga, it's really a load of bks.
Red Bull is certainly an order of magnitude behind, and Williams has less than a quarter of the McLaren total, but otherwise I agree. McLaren aren't even at the top of that list.ks.Ferrari 39+20=59
McLaren 32+15=47
Mercedes 33+8=41
Williams 11+0=11
Red Bull 3+0=3
thegreenhell said:
dr_gn said:
Button and Alonso have 47 wins between them, and since the drivers of Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari and Williams all have combined win totals easily of the same magnitude, like a lot of things said in this saga, it's really a load of bks.
Red Bull is certainly an order of magnitude behind, and Williams has less than a quarter of the McLaren total, but otherwise I agree. McLaren aren't even at the top of that list.ks.Ferrari 39+20=59
McLaren 32+15=47
Mercedes 33+8=41
Williams 11+0=11
Red Bull 3+0=3
With hindsight, you could arguably say that McLaren had the strongest driver pairing AND car back in 2007, but did it add up to a championship? Sometimes a clear #1 driver and/or team orders makes the difference.
FWIW I hope McLaren and Honda can cause a few surprises next year in the same way Red Bull did this year.
Edited by dr_gn on Saturday 13th December 09:33
Ronspeak really is utter gibberish.
I have this theory that Ron only gets away with his ridiculous vocabulary simply because most of the customer sponsors and suppliers do not use English as their first language.
Googling "Ronspeak" amusingly shows over 8000 results. My favourite list is here: http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/22058/9120104/ad...
I have this theory that Ron only gets away with his ridiculous vocabulary simply because most of the customer sponsors and suppliers do not use English as their first language.
Googling "Ronspeak" amusingly shows over 8000 results. My favourite list is here: http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/22058/9120104/ad...
Edited by toppstuff on Monday 15th December 11:44
dr_gn said:
It's just Ron using impressive language he doesn't understand, and since the majority of punters listening to his guff don't understand it either, he can get away with it.
If you're defining something as being better by "an order of magnitude", it means that it is around 10x better than the next nearest. Since Vettel alone can outscore the combined championship wins of Button and Alonso, it seem a very stupid thing to say, at least to an intelligent audience.
Button and Alonso have 47 wins between them, and since the drivers of Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari and Williams all have combined win totals easily of the same magnitude, like a lot of things said in this saga, it's really a load of bks.
I have to say that made me crack up, well written, sharp observation and drier than a roll of bounty, top marks Dr gnIf you're defining something as being better by "an order of magnitude", it means that it is around 10x better than the next nearest. Since Vettel alone can outscore the combined championship wins of Button and Alonso, it seem a very stupid thing to say, at least to an intelligent audience.
Button and Alonso have 47 wins between them, and since the drivers of Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari and Williams all have combined win totals easily of the same magnitude, like a lot of things said in this saga, it's really a load of b
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