Pay Drivers

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Adrian W

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14,329 posts

234 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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Is formula 1 screwed if the champion from GP2 series's don't automatically get a drive, Nasr came third but gets a drive because he is sponsored by a Brazilian Bank yet Palmer doesn't because he hasn't got that type of sponsorship (daddy's cash can't run to it).

With the high number of pay drivers is it going to get to the point where anyone can buy an F1 drive?

Scuffers

20,887 posts

280 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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I think that's a pretty accurate representation

Matt..

3,686 posts

195 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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Adrian W said:
With the high number of pay drivers is it going to get to the point where anyone can buy an F1 drive?
Hasn't it been like that for decades?

anonymous-user

60 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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Matt.. said:
Adrian W said:
With the high number of pay drivers is it going to get to the point where anyone can buy an F1 drive?
Hasn't it been like that for decades?
It has been like that for a long time but is arguably worse now than in the past. Not surprisingly given the current cost of doing the job reasonably well and the shortage of proper sponsorship.



Redlake27

2,255 posts

250 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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It's always been that way, I'm afraid.

Even at GP2 level, Palmer, Hamilton and Rosberg either had to bring family money or investor's cash to get their drives. In a way they're no different to Chilton, Maldonado and Gutierrez.

There's only really been the Red Bull scheme (Vettel, Ricciardo, Kyvat ) and the Renault ladder (Kubica, Grosjean ) that's brought otherwise underfunded talent into top level drives.

slipstream 1985

12,734 posts

185 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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Palmer has taken quite a while to win that championship hasn't he?

ZX10R NIN

28,185 posts

131 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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Adrian W said:
Is formula 1 screwed if the champion from GP2 series's don't automatically get a drive, Nasr came third but gets a drive because he is sponsored by a Brazilian Bank yet Palmer doesn't because he hasn't got that type of sponsorship (daddy's cash can't run to it).

With the high number of pay drivers is it going to get to the point where anyone can buy an F1 drive?
Pay drivers have existed since F1 started it's just more apparent now, there may be pay drivers on the grid but they are more than capable of holding their own given the right equipment.

The GT Academy is another programe that's giving drivers a fair chance

Lincsblokey

3,175 posts

161 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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slipstream 1985 said:
Palmer has taken quite a while to win that championship hasn't he?
Yes, and that's why he won't ever get a proper shot at F1.

Pay drivers make me sick, but that's the way of the world

DanTVR

281 posts

190 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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Where is the line between a paying driver, and a driver who brings money from his own sponsorship? Apart from obvious talent?

The only driver to make it to the grid recently on his own merits was Hamilton but he had McLaren picking up the tab for his championships since he was 13.

Everyone else brings money in some form so surely their wages are just money back from the sponsorship money they bring in? I bet even the likes of Alonso has money pledged to his current team in sponsorship which is far more than his own wages.

C Lee Farquar

4,084 posts

222 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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On the other hand would Fangio, Lauda or Alonso have got drives if they hadn't started as pay drivers?

Lincsblokey

3,175 posts

161 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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Pay drivers = a driver who financially forces his way into F1 (in some cases despite not being good enough in the first place), then keeping it solely because of that backing.

Maldonado, Perez, Sutil, Gutierrez, Chilton, are all certainly in that bracket, and it looks as if magnussen will be falling into it too.

Adrian W

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14,329 posts

234 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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Lincsblokey said:
Pay drivers = a driver who financially forces his way into F1 (in some cases despite not being good enough in the first place), then keeping it solely because of that backing.

Maldonado, Perez, Sutil, Gutierrez, Chilton, are all certainly in that bracket, and it looks as if magnussen will be falling into it too.
Spot on, I was talking about drivers who are only there because for one reason or another they can buy their drive, whereas talented much more able drivers are overlooked solely due to lack of resources

Ahonen

5,022 posts

285 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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Lincsblokey said:
Pay drivers = a driver who financially forces his way into F1 (in some cases despite not being good enough in the first place), then keeping it solely because of that backing.

Maldonado, Perez, Sutil, Gutierrez, Chilton, are all certainly in that bracket, and it looks as if magnussen will be falling into it too.
You can't put Perez in the same category as the others. And he doesn't bring much money.

woof

8,456 posts

283 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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slipstream 1985 said:
Palmer has taken quite a while to win that championship hasn't he?
3 seasons and in the best team. And in GP2 it's all about the team - the cars are far from being identical.

Stoffel Vandoorne has really shown the whole field up in his first year. He's the real deal for sure.

From my understanding there are only 9 drivers in F1 that are paid a salary to drive by the team. Plus the Torro Rosso drivers but I believe it's a small salary as part of their Red Bull driver program.

Everyone else brings money/sponsors to drive - some of that money then goes to pay themselves a salary. Actually even Alonso comes with Santander sponsorship. Something that no doubt Mclaren would like to have back.

Edited by woof on Monday 24th November 11:31

Adrian W

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14,329 posts

234 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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Ahonen said:
You can't put Perez in the same category as the others. And he doesn't bring much money.
I thought there was a tie up with Carlos Slim (Telmex)

Henry Fiddleton

1,586 posts

183 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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Re Palmer taking a few seasons to win GP2.

I don't see what the big deal is with that - it will simply mean he more polished when he/if he gets into F1.

The whole "get them in young" annoys me.

F1 is not a finishing series, get there when you are fully good to go.

Ahonen

5,022 posts

285 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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Adrian W said:
Ahonen said:
You can't put Perez in the same category as the others. And he doesn't bring much money.
I thought there was a tie up with Carlos Slim (Telmex)
There is, but I don't think it's anywhere near as large as people may think.