BERNIE - Its my fault.....
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This makes for depressing reading,I really cant see a way out. There is no way that the big 4 will help fund the small teams.
Unless they can be offered a huge incentive? What is there?
http://m.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116584/e...
Unless they can be offered a huge incentive? What is there?
http://m.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116584/e...
Sadly unless those involved with the running of F1 suddenly decide to care about the sport then nothing will improve. F1 have priced themselves out of the market in all areas and are now starting to feel the effects. Perhaps and idea would have been a spec area kit with there being a set limited on the PU's, I believe Formula E is adopting this next year.
Also I think F1 need to look at the benefit for the teams of visiting new countries with no fan base. Why would anyone want to have their name on a car if no one is there watching it. Of course there is also the same problem with many countries losing FTA F1 coverage. Instead of blaming on the financial crisis they should look at solving the lack of sponsorship by increasing the numbers seeing the cars - making it more attractive for companies to sponsor teams.
The sport is in one of the worst states I can ever remember being it in. Many countries visited have little or no fanbase and those that do overprice many fans out of the market with ridiculous ticket prices - caused by Bernies fees on the circuits. The new engines introduced bring no improvement, just a horrible sound and a huge price for the smaller teams. The reason for the new PU's are of course to be 'environmentally friendly' but how can they claim this when they have tyres that fall apart after a lap.
A huge price ticket, little or no running in practices to save engine and tyres, the chance of arguably a great of the sport not running in Quali, teams not attending, crap sounding cars and frankly boring racing - why the hell would you want to attend a F1 race - the only perhaps excitement today will be if the two spoiled brats at the front take eachother out
Also I think F1 need to look at the benefit for the teams of visiting new countries with no fan base. Why would anyone want to have their name on a car if no one is there watching it. Of course there is also the same problem with many countries losing FTA F1 coverage. Instead of blaming on the financial crisis they should look at solving the lack of sponsorship by increasing the numbers seeing the cars - making it more attractive for companies to sponsor teams.
The sport is in one of the worst states I can ever remember being it in. Many countries visited have little or no fanbase and those that do overprice many fans out of the market with ridiculous ticket prices - caused by Bernies fees on the circuits. The new engines introduced bring no improvement, just a horrible sound and a huge price for the smaller teams. The reason for the new PU's are of course to be 'environmentally friendly' but how can they claim this when they have tyres that fall apart after a lap.
A huge price ticket, little or no running in practices to save engine and tyres, the chance of arguably a great of the sport not running in Quali, teams not attending, crap sounding cars and frankly boring racing - why the hell would you want to attend a F1 race - the only perhaps excitement today will be if the two spoiled brats at the front take eachother out
It's more worrying that he doesn't have a solution, this is a problem that has been building while he's been distracted fighting court cases over his shadowy business practices. Unless the big teams decide to rip up their lucrative deals then it seems there's nothing BE or anyone else can do.
garyhun said:
CBR JGWRR said:
It is far more likely than Bernie having a total change of heart.
He's not changing heart, just trying to garner sympathy and PR points by seeming to be contrite.They brief sky interview he did when asked about Force India, Sauber and Lotus coming to see him re. possible boycott.. he just gave the answer along the lines of 'They better not have any ideas about coming to see me, and its a good job they didnt'
There will be no solution until CVC disappear. As they exist purely to extort money from F1 the problems will persist.
As for Bernie, I read (and I forget the source) the other day: create a problem (boycott) and then your solution (probably not a popular one) will be accepted. He will have this all planned out 10 moves in advance.
As for Bernie, I read (and I forget the source) the other day: create a problem (boycott) and then your solution (probably not a popular one) will be accepted. He will have this all planned out 10 moves in advance.
garyhun said:
He's not changing heart, just trying to garner sympathy and PR points by seeming to be contrite.
It's not even that either; it pushes it back to the big teams to make the decision. Now they look like the bad, greedy guys for not wanting to give up their rich contracts and the news sites are currently playing along with that narrative too.zac510 said:
It's not even that either; it pushes it back to the big teams to make the decision. Now they look like the bad, greedy guys for not wanting to give up their rich contracts and the news sites are currently playing along with that narrative too.
Christian Horner made a very reasonable point. He said something along the lines of "It's all very nice of Bernie to volunteer us to give up some of our revenue, but it has been agreed by contract, we've budgeted for it, our business plan is reliant on it, and that's the end of it. Obviously Bernie can give them whatever of his own money he wishes" (I'm paraphrasing). Yes, the smaller teams do need a bigger slice of the pie. And the big teams are undoubtedly getting rather too big of a slice. But for 2014 that is what they are contractually entitled to. So it's all very well for Bernie to play Robin Hood but given that he's the Sheriff of Nottingham it's a little bit rich.
Edit: The following article on the BBC makes interesting reading though. Maybe Bernie's grip is at last slipping?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/29888406
JonRB said:
Christian Horner made a very reasonable point. He said something along the lines of "It's all very nice of Bernie to volunteer us to give up some of our revenue, but it has been agreed by contract, we've budgeted for it, our business plan is reliant on it, and that's the end of it. Obviously Bernie can give them whatever of his own money he wishes" (I'm paraphrasing).
Yes, the smaller teams do need a bigger slice of the pie. And the big teams are undoubtedly getting rather too big of a slice. But for 2014 that is what they are contractually entitled to. So it's all very well for Bernie to play Robin Hood but given that he's the Sheriff of Nottingham it's a little bit rich.
Edit: The following article on the BBC makes interesting reading though. Maybe Bernie's grip is at last slipping?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/29888406
Just read that piece, if true, then CVC may be worrying that their investment is in need of a change of directionYes, the smaller teams do need a bigger slice of the pie. And the big teams are undoubtedly getting rather too big of a slice. But for 2014 that is what they are contractually entitled to. So it's all very well for Bernie to play Robin Hood but given that he's the Sheriff of Nottingham it's a little bit rich.
Edit: The following article on the BBC makes interesting reading though. Maybe Bernie's grip is at last slipping?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/29888406
Eric Mc said:
Facetious little git (excuse the expletive).
Sorry the "it seemed like a good idea at the time" excuse does not wash. Bernie's deals tend to ALWAYS seem like a good idea to Bernie - but not everybody else thinks so.
Sums it up nicely...Sorry the "it seemed like a good idea at the time" excuse does not wash. Bernie's deals tend to ALWAYS seem like a good idea to Bernie - but not everybody else thinks so.
Watched some of the race yesterday, well race, it wasn't, just like the rest of the season the 2 Mercedes's decided between them who would win and the rest participated in the parade..
Thanks to the "no changes allowed rule" during the season, the season was already over after the first race when Mercedes showed it had by far the best package...
Probably seemed like a good idea at the time as well....
They should have given the teams a 3 month period at the beginning of the season in which they would've been allowed to change their engine/drivetrain package.
Another F1 f
kup is the fact that they've changed the rules every season for the past 4 years, which made F1 a lot more expensive instead of less.....DeltonaS said:
Watched some of the race yesterday, well race, it wasn't, just like the rest of the season the 2 Mercedes's decided between them who would win and the rest participated in the parade..
I think you and I must have differing definitions of 'race' then. I thought it was a cracking race. There's more to a race than the top step of the podium. Edit: Your use of the word 'parade' suggests you didn't even watch the race.
Edited by JonRB on Monday 3rd November 21:07
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