An option for Hami/Rosberg

An option for Hami/Rosberg

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The Moose

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23,048 posts

215 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Mulling over the current situation with the final race of the year and how it's a reliability race between Hami and Rosberg, I wondered if there's a solution, and here's mine for Hami (assuming Texas goes roughly to plan and he's some way ahead after)

In Brasil, take a new engine and gearbox, take the penalty (as I believe he's used all his up). Because of his speed, he'd likely still end up on the podium and have a much more fresh setup for the final race.

Good strategy? Do I need to go and seek employment at Mercedes?!

MGJohn

10,203 posts

189 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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The Moose said:
Mulling over the current situation with the final race of the year and how it's a reliability race between Hami and Rosberg, I wondered if there's a solution, and here's mine for Hami (assuming Texas goes roughly to plan and he's some way ahead after)

In Brasil, take a new engine and gearbox, take the penalty (as I believe he's used all his up). Because of his speed, he'd likely still end up on the podium and have a much more fresh setup for the final race.

Good strategy? Do I need to go and seek employment at Mercedes?!
Considering how much the two Merc cars have in hand over the rest, some of us have suggested something on those lines already. Chances are that could play some part in the rest of the season if needs must. Thing is, nothing to stop both sides of the Mercedes-Benz pit doing it and still finishing 1-2 no matter where they start on the grid..

The Moose

Original Poster:

23,048 posts

215 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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MGJohn said:
The Moose said:
Mulling over the current situation with the final race of the year and how it's a reliability race between Hami and Rosberg, I wondered if there's a solution, and here's mine for Hami (assuming Texas goes roughly to plan and he's some way ahead after)

In Brasil, take a new engine and gearbox, take the penalty (as I believe he's used all his up). Because of his speed, he'd likely still end up on the podium and have a much more fresh setup for the final race.

Good strategy? Do I need to go and seek employment at Mercedes?!
Considering how much the two Merc cars have in hand over the rest, some of us have suggested something on those lines already. Chances are that could play some part in the rest of the season if needs must. Thing is, nothing to stop both sides of the Mercedes-Benz pit doing it and still finishing 1-2 no matter where they start on the grid..
I haven't seen any reference to that - obviously great minds think alike wink

Jasandjules

70,412 posts

235 months

Wednesday 15th October 2014
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I was thinking (not quite tinfoil hat) that if one of the cars suffered a malfunction meaning it would have to retire, that the team could then ensure that the other car had a potential problem requiring retirement. That way the WDC is not decided on reliability of the cars (notwithstanding that Lewis has had more reliability issues to date).

RYH64E

7,960 posts

250 months

Wednesday 15th October 2014
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Jasandjules said:
I was thinking (not quite tinfoil hat) that if one of the cars suffered a malfunction meaning it would have to retire, that the team could then ensure that the other car had a potential problem requiring retirement. That way the WDC is not decided on reliability of the cars (notwithstanding that Lewis has had more reliability issues to date).
Why would that do that? A Mercedes driver will win the drivers championship, do they care which one? Reliability is just one of this things, st happens.

andygo

6,910 posts

261 months

Wednesday 15th October 2014
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Because I think if, assuming Hammy wins the next 2 races, but loses out at the last event due to unreliability, Merc would have a pretty unpopular WDC in Rosberg. Well, he'd be unpopular in our house, that's 'for sure'.

swisstoni

17,844 posts

285 months

Wednesday 15th October 2014
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Any team's aim is to win the WCC. The WDC is of much less interest to them and they certainly could not care leas about the popularity of the eventual winner.

RYH64E

7,960 posts

250 months

Wednesday 15th October 2014
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andygo said:
Because I think if, assuming Hammy wins the next 2 races, but loses out at the last event due to unreliability, Merc would have a pretty unpopular WDC in Rosberg. Well, he'd be unpopular in our house, that's 'for sure'.
So you're suggesting they deliberately sabotage one of their cars to ensure that their (your) preferred driver wins the championship? How popular would that make them? Their German fans would be up in arms if they were seen to be favouring the English driver, the Americans hate any idea of race fixing, it would almost certainly be in contravention of a whole host of F1/FIA rules, and (apart from pleasing your household) would achieve absolutely nothing.

Walford

2,259 posts

172 months

Wednesday 15th October 2014
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doogz said:
Although I don't think a german WDC in a german car would be too unpopular.

Jasandjules

70,412 posts

235 months

Wednesday 15th October 2014
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RYH64E said:
Why would that do that? A Mercedes driver will win the drivers championship, do they care which one? Reliability is just one of this things, st happens.
So that the win is decided on merit not reliability.


RYH64E

7,960 posts

250 months

Wednesday 15th October 2014
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Jasandjules said:
So that the win is decided on merit not reliability.

Merit is measured by the number a points each driver accumulates over a season, reliability is just another variable in the mix. That's the only way it can work if F1 wants to be considered a sport, the alternative is to degenerate into a scripted farce like WWF wrestling.

williamp

19,485 posts

279 months

Wednesday 15th October 2014
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Walford said:
doogz said:
Although I don't think a german WDC in a german car would be too unpopular.
Thats brackley. The towns anthem is remarkably simmilar to the german national anthem. A bit like milton keynes, who has some daft durge played during when a red bull win. At least Mclaren have borrowed their tune from nearby Windsor.

Walford

2,259 posts

172 months

Wednesday 15th October 2014
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williamp said:
Walford said:
doogz said:
Although I don't think a german WDC in a german car would be too unpopular.
Thats brackley. The towns anthem is remarkably simmilar to the german national anthem. A bit like milton keynes, who has some daft durge played during when a red bull win. At least Mclaren have borrowed their tune from nearby Windsor.
Yes i,v been there, lots of people in leather shorts eating sausage
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TheExcession

11,669 posts

256 months

Wednesday 15th October 2014
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Walford said:
Yes i,v been there, lots of people in leather shorts eating sausage
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Don't forget the very hairy armpits! hehe

VladD

7,984 posts

271 months

Thursday 16th October 2014
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I do think a t-shirt with the following words would be quite funny to wear to the last few GP.

Mercedes F1
Pride of Germany
Made in England

Lost soul

8,712 posts

188 months

Thursday 16th October 2014
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VladD said:
I do think a t-shirt with the following words would be quite funny to wear to the last few GP.

Mercedes F1
Pride of Germany
Made in England
hehe

thechosenfamily

332 posts

161 months

Thursday 16th October 2014
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Lost soul said:
VladD said:
I do think a t-shirt with the following words would be quite funny to wear to the last few GP.

Mercedes F1
Pride of Germany
Made in England
hehe
There's an original mini round by me uses a similar reference

"True Brit, Not German Scensoredt!!!!"

Edited by thechosenfamily on Thursday 16th October 14:05

Walford

2,259 posts

172 months

Thursday 16th October 2014
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doogz said:
Walford said:
doogz said:
Although I don't think a german WDC in a german car would be too unpopular.
Honda make cars in England.

Are they English cars?

They're a german marque, with german engines, and a german name.

AndStilliRise

2,295 posts

122 months

Thursday 16th October 2014
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The Moose said:
Mulling over the current situation with the final race of the year and how it's a reliability race between Hami and Rosberg, I wondered if there's a solution, and here's mine for Hami (assuming Texas goes roughly to plan and he's some way ahead after)

In Brasil, take a new engine and gearbox, take the penalty (as I believe he's used all his up). Because of his speed, he'd likely still end up on the podium and have a much more fresh setup for the final race.

Good strategy? Do I need to go and seek employment at Mercedes?!
The issue is the track Abu Dhabi is not the easiest to overtake on. From what I can see you would need to have a significant car advantage, drs, and be brave enough to attempt overtaking. Seeing as the drivers are going to score double points anyway, the safest way is to try and qualify high and then defend the position. i.e. Brake early, turn early into the corner. Then fast again on the straights. Would you want to risk the points you have for the possible points you may get.

The other issue is reliability. Would you rather use an engine and gearbox that you have raced with going into the final GP or would you want the mechanics changing key components before the title decider? I guess the mechanics can see how much life an engine has left, by examining the oil, miles used in quali, miles used in race, miles used at max rpm, miles used at max torque and gear.

2 cents.

scubadude

2,618 posts

203 months

Thursday 16th October 2014
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Mercedes should pull rank and say whoever is winning after Brazil is WDC then send the cars out at Abi Dhabi on worn intermediates and put on a synchronized drift show and have LH and NR compete for the longest 11's in history with F-U Bernie on the sidepods :-)

Or perhaps they'll be all Germanic and behave, play the "both drivers are equal" BS till the bitter end...