Hamilton vs Rosberg
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This is an interesting piece of analysis.
http://grandprixrankings.com/compare/2014-f1/hamil...
Excluding DNF's, the only times Rosberg has beaten Hamilton in a race is Monaco, Austria & Germany, or put another way, when Lewis has a nightmare in qualifying.
http://grandprixrankings.com/compare/2014-f1/hamil...
Excluding DNF's, the only times Rosberg has beaten Hamilton in a race is Monaco, Austria & Germany, or put another way, when Lewis has a nightmare in qualifying.
Gaz. said:
As above. Hamilton could win the next two, Rosberg could finish 2nd, then at Abu Dhabi if Hamilton retires and Rosberg wins, he'd be WDC. Yes, because of double points the chap with 11 wins would be runner up to the chap with 5 wins.
Exactly. The other possible trouble could come from Engine penalties, nobody seems to have been talking about the number and state of their allocated 6 Power Units. Not that they would, that's a very high stakes game.
I guess the nature of the remaining circuits could lead to some interesting gamesmanship, choosing the right race to take a penalty so you have a fresh unit for the last race... who is going to risk running to the end and getting a grid penalty when double points are on offer ?
998420 said:
Exactly.
The other possible trouble could come from Engine penalties, nobody seems to have been talking about the number and state of their allocated 6 Power Units. Not that they would, that's a very high stakes game.
I guess the nature of the remaining circuits could lead to some interesting gamesmanship, choosing the right race to take a penalty so you have a fresh unit for the last race... who is going to risk running to the end and getting a grid penalty when double points are on offer ?
I think if Ricciardo is mathematically out of if by the penultimate round, Merc should make both drivers take a new engine then, so they can go into the final round with relatively fresh mechanicals. The other possible trouble could come from Engine penalties, nobody seems to have been talking about the number and state of their allocated 6 Power Units. Not that they would, that's a very high stakes game.
I guess the nature of the remaining circuits could lead to some interesting gamesmanship, choosing the right race to take a penalty so you have a fresh unit for the last race... who is going to risk running to the end and getting a grid penalty when double points are on offer ?
MGJohn said:
Engine penalties.
Such is the superiority of the two Mercs on all known form this season, if they started 22 and 21 in the final race there's still a good chance of finishing 1 and 2.
Yep...I said as much after qualifying. Such is the superiority of the two Mercs on all known form this season, if they started 22 and 21 in the final race there's still a good chance of finishing 1 and 2.
Some people were talking about Williams and McLaren's improvement etc...and it's clear that the Merc's in cruise around are half a second quicker than anything during a race and up to 2 secs quicker when they start pushing.
The engine scenario is an interesting one.
Each driver will want to take the penalty when it suits their style. Mind you, I'd wait until the penultimate race.
Hamilton didn't do his engine any harm in Russia, cruising to a victory that put little strain on it.
Of course, much could happen in the remaining races, but the double points race is a big farce, one without any logic behind it.
It is almost as if it was dreamed up by someone with no interest in the racing.
Each driver will want to take the penalty when it suits their style. Mind you, I'd wait until the penultimate race.
Hamilton didn't do his engine any harm in Russia, cruising to a victory that put little strain on it.
Of course, much could happen in the remaining races, but the double points race is a big farce, one without any logic behind it.
It is almost as if it was dreamed up by someone with no interest in the racing.
Derek Smith said:
Of course, much could happen in the remaining races, but the double points race is a big farce, one without any logic behind it.
It is almost as if it was dreamed up by someone with no interest in the racing.
This. What sort of backlash could one expect if Hamilton wins the last few races, but Rosberg wins at Abu Dhabi (Hamilton experiences a DNF) and ultimately, wins the WDC? Surely it wouldn't go down well with the fans, especially not after Spa, or Monaco for that matter. I guess it wouldn't be the first controversial WDC win!It is almost as if it was dreamed up by someone with no interest in the racing.
Even if Lewis wins in the USA and Brazil with Nico second, if Lewis retires in Abu Dhabi Nico will only need to come second.
That is quite ridiculous.
I think if Lewis wins one of the next two races, as long as he finishes second in the other he can afford to cruise in Abu Dhabi and finish second to win the title. Is that right?
It would serve Bernie right if Nico DNFs the next two races to let Lewis secure the championship in Brazil. Let's hope double points will never be back after this year.
That is quite ridiculous.
I think if Lewis wins one of the next two races, as long as he finishes second in the other he can afford to cruise in Abu Dhabi and finish second to win the title. Is that right?
It would serve Bernie right if Nico DNFs the next two races to let Lewis secure the championship in Brazil. Let's hope double points will never be back after this year.
Edited by CharlesAL on Monday 13th October 19:49
C'MON Hammy!!!!!!!CharlesAL said:
I think if Lewis wins one of the next two races, as long as he finishes second in the other he can afford to cruise in Abu Dhabi and finish second to win the title. Is that right?
I strongly suspect the cooler headed more clear thinking wiser Hamilton of today will do that rather than stress things and risk it all with a must win every race mindset. Make a certainty of the WDC first rather than simply another race win. Priorities .... WDC >><< Race win.
Mind you if circumstances safely allow both WDC and win the race .... go for it.
CharlesAL said:
Even if Lewis wins in the USA and Brazil with Nico second, if Lewis retires in Abu Dhabi Nico will only need to come second.
That is quite ridiculous.
I think if Lewis wins one of the next two races, as long as he finishes second in the other he can afford to cruise in Abu Dhabi and finish second to win the title. Is that right?
It would serve Bernie right if Nico DNFs the next two races to let Lewis secure the championship in Brazil. Let's hope double points will never be back after this year.
Yes, that's right. Lewis needs one more win to allow him to cruise. Because of the mercs superiority he would be odds on favourite to finish at least second in the last two without having to stress the car.That is quite ridiculous.
I think if Lewis wins one of the next two races, as long as he finishes second in the other he can afford to cruise in Abu Dhabi and finish second to win the title. Is that right?
It would serve Bernie right if Nico DNFs the next two races to let Lewis secure the championship in Brazil. Let's hope double points will never be back after this year.
Edited by CharlesAL on Monday 13th October 19:49
But even then it's going to be a nervous evening in Abu Dhabi, can't wait to get there, new passport arrived and tickets ready !
vonuber said:
Or...
What sort of backlash could one expect if Rosberg wins the last few races, but Hamilton wins at Abu Dhabi (Rosberg experiences a DNF) and ultimately, wins the WDC? Surely it wouldn't go down well with the fans. I guess it wouldn't be the first controversial WDC win!
none ...because even if Nico wins the next couple, he'd still be behind on points going into Abu Dhabi & will be trailing 6-9 in wins ...& so nobody will care ...apart from youWhat sort of backlash could one expect if Rosberg wins the last few races, but Hamilton wins at Abu Dhabi (Rosberg experiences a DNF) and ultimately, wins the WDC? Surely it wouldn't go down well with the fans. I guess it wouldn't be the first controversial WDC win!
vonuber said:
Or...
What sort of backlash could one expect if Rosberg wins the last few races, but Hamilton wins at Abu Dhabi (Rosberg experiences a DNF) and ultimately, wins the WDC? Surely it wouldn't go down well with the fans. I guess it wouldn't be the first controversial WDC win!
It seems quite clear, rightly or wrongly, that there is a great deal of support for Hamilton from the fans ... Let's face it, Spa didn't exactly help Nico's plight for the WDC. If you ignore the taunts aimed at Nico from the crowd, then take into account the cheers from the grandstands when Hamilton has had success! In my opinion, out of the two this season, Hamilton has been driving better and deserves the WDC. He doesn't deserve to lose it on the stupid formality that is 'double points' in the last race.What sort of backlash could one expect if Rosberg wins the last few races, but Hamilton wins at Abu Dhabi (Rosberg experiences a DNF) and ultimately, wins the WDC? Surely it wouldn't go down well with the fans. I guess it wouldn't be the first controversial WDC win!
If Nico wins, I reckon the negative reaction will be far greater in comparison to if Hamilton wins. Sure, there will be unhappy Nico fans, but for fans who like to see a good race and good drivers win, I feel Hamilton is the favourite.
Gaz. said:
I always find it interesting that some find upsetting the apple cart more rewarding than being entertained by a sport they dedicate so much time to.
Or you mean giving an alternate view? What if it is the other way around? Why not consider the alternative? Or is that forbidden on this board?I personally don't give a flying f
k which one of them wins it this year, it's hardly been a competition. Hamilton should have really sewn it up ages ago.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff