Another tragedy -De Cesaris dies in Motorcycle accident
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An underrated driver.
I saw him crash at Silverstone, at Bridge, giving it a go despite his somewhat ill-handling car, and he reacted well to barracking from the crowd. It was the reduction in grip at the drop towards Bridge. He'd moved about a few times before but he still pushed.
Much of the criticism aimed at him was due to instructions from Ken Tyrell, he of the 'don't dare leave the racing line' directions. Anyone wanting to pass had to go offline, much to their irritation and to the criticism of the commentators, especially Hunt.
He drove an excellent race at Monaco one year, in a pretty poor car, until he was taken out by, rather ironically, a back marker who didn't move off line.
Sad.
I saw him crash at Silverstone, at Bridge, giving it a go despite his somewhat ill-handling car, and he reacted well to barracking from the crowd. It was the reduction in grip at the drop towards Bridge. He'd moved about a few times before but he still pushed.
Much of the criticism aimed at him was due to instructions from Ken Tyrell, he of the 'don't dare leave the racing line' directions. Anyone wanting to pass had to go offline, much to their irritation and to the criticism of the commentators, especially Hunt.
He drove an excellent race at Monaco one year, in a pretty poor car, until he was taken out by, rather ironically, a back marker who didn't move off line.
Sad.
What a terrible Sunday.
Although he was a little Maldonado -esque at times, he was one of the fastest drivers never to win a Grand Prix.
Could have won at Long Beach in only his second season,or at Spa the following year. And nearly a decade later he looked set to win again at Spa in Jordan's inaugural season.
Although he was a little Maldonado -esque at times, he was one of the fastest drivers never to win a Grand Prix.
Could have won at Long Beach in only his second season,or at Spa the following year. And nearly a decade later he looked set to win again at Spa in Jordan's inaugural season.
Derek Smith said:
An underrated driver.
I saw him crash at Silverstone, at Bridge, giving it a go despite his somewhat ill-handling car, and he reacted well to barracking from the crowd. It was the reduction in grip at the drop towards Bridge. He'd moved about a few times before but he still pushed.
Much of the criticism aimed at him was due to instructions from Ken Tyrell, he of the 'don't dare leave the racing line' directions. Anyone wanting to pass had to go offline, much to their irritation and to the criticism of the commentators, especially Hunt.
He drove an excellent race at Monaco one year, in a pretty poor car, until he was taken out by, rather ironically, a back marker who didn't move off line.
Sad.
No Derek it wasn't. The De Crasharis reputation was established before he arrived in F1, the same way that Hunt the Shunt was established before F1.I saw him crash at Silverstone, at Bridge, giving it a go despite his somewhat ill-handling car, and he reacted well to barracking from the crowd. It was the reduction in grip at the drop towards Bridge. He'd moved about a few times before but he still pushed.
Much of the criticism aimed at him was due to instructions from Ken Tyrell, he of the 'don't dare leave the racing line' directions. Anyone wanting to pass had to go offline, much to their irritation and to the criticism of the commentators, especially Hunt.
He drove an excellent race at Monaco one year, in a pretty poor car, until he was taken out by, rather ironically, a back marker who didn't move off line.
Sad.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116184
RIP
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Autosport said:
Long-time Formula 1 driver Andrea de Cesaris has died in a motorcyle accident in Italy at the age of 55.
Italian press reports said de Cesaris was killed instantly in the crash in Rome.
De Cesaris was an F1 regular from 1980 to 1994, getting his first full season with McLaren in '81 after two guest appearances for Alfa Romeo alongside his European Formula 2 season a year earlier.
Although he did not win any grands prix, and never shook off a reputation for crashing earned in a tough rookie campaign, de Cesaris ultimately entered 214 F1 races and often got his invariably midfield machinery higher than it deserved.
He returned to Alfa for the 1982 and '83 seasons, which included his sole F1 pole at the '82 Long Beach race and a long spell in the lead of the '83 Belgian Grand Prix - which was the revised Spa's F1 debut.
Stints with Ligier, Minardi, Brabham, Rial and Scuderia Italia followed, before de Cesaris played a major role in Jordan's impressive F1 debut season in 1991, when he again had a shot at a Spa victory.
After two seasons with Tyrrell, de Cesaris's F1 career appeared to be over at the end of 1993.
But he would be back again for much of 1994, first standing in for the banned Eddie Irvine at Jordan, and then taking the Sauber drive after Karl Wendlinger's horrific Monaco crash.
He finally retired at the end of 1994 with five podium finishes to his name and having been classified in the world championship top 10 three times - eighth with Alfa in 1982 and then ninth with Jordan in '91 and again for Tyrrell the following year.
Damn, a bad day for motorsport.Italian press reports said de Cesaris was killed instantly in the crash in Rome.
De Cesaris was an F1 regular from 1980 to 1994, getting his first full season with McLaren in '81 after two guest appearances for Alfa Romeo alongside his European Formula 2 season a year earlier.
Although he did not win any grands prix, and never shook off a reputation for crashing earned in a tough rookie campaign, de Cesaris ultimately entered 214 F1 races and often got his invariably midfield machinery higher than it deserved.
He returned to Alfa for the 1982 and '83 seasons, which included his sole F1 pole at the '82 Long Beach race and a long spell in the lead of the '83 Belgian Grand Prix - which was the revised Spa's F1 debut.
Stints with Ligier, Minardi, Brabham, Rial and Scuderia Italia followed, before de Cesaris played a major role in Jordan's impressive F1 debut season in 1991, when he again had a shot at a Spa victory.
After two seasons with Tyrrell, de Cesaris's F1 career appeared to be over at the end of 1993.
But he would be back again for much of 1994, first standing in for the banned Eddie Irvine at Jordan, and then taking the Sauber drive after Karl Wendlinger's horrific Monaco crash.
He finally retired at the end of 1994 with five podium finishes to his name and having been classified in the world championship top 10 three times - eighth with Alfa in 1982 and then ninth with Jordan in '91 and again for Tyrrell the following year.
RIP
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tty sVaud said:
DJRC said:
No Derek it wasn't. The De Crasharis reputation was established before he arrived in F1, the same way that Hunt the Shunt was established before F1.
OK, the guy is dead. After todays events can we leave the analysis of his reputation for another day? Ta...A genuine oh no!! when i read this.
Rightly or wrongly I always looked at him as a bit like a Jarno Trulli of his day tbh.
Very quick in his own right but he got an unfair reputation as a mobile chicane whilst trying to do the impossible in un competitive cars.
At the time i didn't know any different and bought into the "de-crasherous" hype but with the advantage of age and reflection i think it was an unfair representation of his skill, contribution and sheer passion for the sport over a 14 year career.
RIP Andrea.
Rightly or wrongly I always looked at him as a bit like a Jarno Trulli of his day tbh.
Very quick in his own right but he got an unfair reputation as a mobile chicane whilst trying to do the impossible in un competitive cars.
At the time i didn't know any different and bought into the "de-crasherous" hype but with the advantage of age and reflection i think it was an unfair representation of his skill, contribution and sheer passion for the sport over a 14 year career.
RIP Andrea.
mattikake said:
RIP.
Oddly I was think of him today when Brundle was taking and I daydreamed off in a tangent thinking of drivers who never won a GP but perhaps should've done.
Spa '81 was his, "for sure", maybe Monaco '82 and he had a chance at Long Beach '82...
He had the talent to win a GP and always seemed to go well at Spa, usually a good barometer of driver ability. It's sad that he's gone but he will be remembered. Oddly I was think of him today when Brundle was taking and I daydreamed off in a tangent thinking of drivers who never won a GP but perhaps should've done.
Spa '81 was his, "for sure", maybe Monaco '82 and he had a chance at Long Beach '82...
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