One for the conspiracy theorists

One for the conspiracy theorists

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Doink

Original Poster:

1,655 posts

153 months

Friday 26th September 2014
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Was the failure to NR's electronics part 2 of 6 of mercs punishment?

Was the chicane debacle at Monza too obvious?

Why has it taken till now for this substance to affect the column wiring?

Who sprayed it in there?


longblackcoat

5,047 posts

189 months

Friday 26th September 2014
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Doink said:
Was the failure to NR's electronics part 2 of 6 of mercs punishment?
No. Staggering as it may seem, the car failed because the Mercedes just isn't that reliable. Virtually every race one or both of the cars have quite serious problems, and this was yet another one.

Doink

Original Poster:

1,655 posts

153 months

Friday 26th September 2014
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longblackcoat said:
Doink said:
Was the failure to NR's electronics part 2 of 6 of mercs punishment?
No. Staggering as it may seem, the car failed because the Mercedes just isn't that reliable. Virtually every race one or both of the cars have quite serious problems, and this was yet another one.
Bit different to steering column wiring failure though, a reliable design used since 2008 with no issues then all of a sudden it decides to fail AFTER something is sprayed in or around it

Crafty_

13,431 posts

206 months

Friday 26th September 2014
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Don't encourage them, they believe in all this claptrap enough as it is.

The "foreign substance" is used during their servicing, so I expect its contact cleaner or a grease or something, someone got careless, just as they did when assembling Lewis's brakes in Germany that caused the premature failure.


Doink

Original Poster:

1,655 posts

153 months

Friday 26th September 2014
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Careless on purpose or genuine mistake that's the question?

Crafty_

13,431 posts

206 months

Friday 26th September 2014
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Yeah the guy that nixed the steering wheel also trashed Lewis's spark plug in Australia, caused the engine to blow up in Hungary, wrecked the brakes in Germany and damaged the brakes on both cars in Canada. He did it all on purpose so Lewis, wait, I mean Nico, hmm no maybe I mean Lewis could win the WDC.

From what I read the problem had been lurking there all weekend and only showed up at the start of the race. That in itself is a hell of a coincidence in timing is it not ?

Next you'll be telling me Lord Lucan and Jimmy Hoffa have been found in a back room at Brackley.

anonymous-user

60 months

Friday 26th September 2014
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Doink said:
Careless on purpose or genuine mistake that's the question?
Other than the drivers no one in the team cares who wins as long as they win the constructors' championship. Their bonuses, meagre as they are in comparison with the drivers rewards, are paid on winning the WCC.

Why would anyone wish to reduce the chances of a car scoring well, regardless of who is driving it?

RDMcG

19,436 posts

213 months

Friday 26th September 2014
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No team would dream of sabotaging its own car. You never know how the race will turn out. What happens if you sabotage car no.1 and car no.2 is taken out on a first corner crash?…There is no sinister force at play here. Of course there are team order at times, but always to maximize the team points or to win the championship.

Fonz

361 posts

190 months

Friday 26th September 2014
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Finger trouble, no more than that.

rigga

8,748 posts

207 months

Friday 26th September 2014
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REALIST123 said:
Other than the drivers no one in the team cares who wins as long as they win the constructors' championship. Their bonuses, meagre as they are in comparison with the drivers rewards, are paid on winning the WCC.

Why would anyone wish to reduce the chances of a car scoring well, regardless of who is driving it?
This all day long, no constructor will deliberately sabotage their own car's whilst the team championship is still not settled, they don't give a fug what driver out of the two wins the individual crown.

glazbagun

14,430 posts

203 months

Friday 26th September 2014
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RDMcG said:
What happens if you sabotage car no.1 and car no.2 is taken out on a first corner crash?…There is no sinister force at play here. Of course there are team order at times, but always to maximize the team points or to win the championship.
Simpler yet- what happens if you get found out! If I'm a mechanic I don't care how much I like or dislike driver nr 1 or 2, I'm not going to risk my job, and Career in F1 over it. At least until I get to Pat Symonds level. hehe

Jasandjules

70,412 posts

235 months

Friday 26th September 2014
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No, just human error.

There is far, far too much money at stake for this to be deliberate IMHO.

Fire99

9,844 posts

235 months

Friday 26th September 2014
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No... They are using German engines but unfortunately the pot was a little empty after building a great chassis and stonking engine, so they used a steering wheel and subsequent electrical gubbins from a Renault Clio and it all went a bit pearshaped.. Allegedly. biggrin

Fire99

9,844 posts

235 months

Friday 26th September 2014
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The factory line on the subject:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/29387429

Derek Smith

46,321 posts

254 months

Saturday 27th September 2014
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RDMcG said:
No team would dream of sabotaging its own car.
That's not quite right, is it.

There has even been an instance where a team have ordered a driver to crash a car, and that only just came to light. Imagine what we've missed over the years.

That's not to say NR's car was sabotaged.


TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

134 months

Saturday 27th September 2014
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RDMcG said:
No team would dream of sabotaging its own car. You never know how the race will turn out. What happens if you sabotage car no.1 and car no.2 is taken out on a first corner crash?…There is no sinister force at play here. Of course there are team order at times, but always to maximize the team points or to win the championship.
This.

Add to which that there are two championships -- one for drivers, one for manufacturers.

Being a manufacturer, you can pretty much take it for granted that Mercedes are interested, primarily, in the manufacturer's championship.

The drivers are just like spanners -- loose one, buy another.

Redlake27

2,255 posts

250 months

Saturday 27th September 2014
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Everyone on PH knows that Mercs are not built like they were in the 1970s. It was probably a tin of Rust-Remedy that spilt whilst they were mixing a tub of Isopon filler.

anonymous-user

60 months

Saturday 27th September 2014
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Redlake27 said:
Everyone on PH knows that Mercs are not built like they were in the 1970s. It was probably a tin of Rust-Remedy that spilt whilst they were mixing a tub of Isopon filler.
Perhaps iOS8 incompatibility?

SmoothCriminal

5,270 posts

205 months

Saturday 27th September 2014
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Maybe they labelled the box up wrong and that was actually lewis's steering column biggrin

Doink

Original Poster:

1,655 posts

153 months

Saturday 27th September 2014
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Maybe Lewis swapped the labels on chain lube tin to contact cleaner biggrin