Is Toto being naive?
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114616
It has been apparent for the last few races that Lewis is attempting to mask his true pace from Nico, but if you listen to Nico's radio he is constantly getting information from his engineer as to where Lewis is gaining time on him, particularly in FP1&2. I do not recall any information going the other way.
If Toto wants to know the car's true performance, then each driver's data needs to be kept private on either side of the garage. There are two championship's and it is the WDC that probably generates most interest.
Surely, Toto can't expect to have the penny and the bun.
It has been apparent for the last few races that Lewis is attempting to mask his true pace from Nico, but if you listen to Nico's radio he is constantly getting information from his engineer as to where Lewis is gaining time on him, particularly in FP1&2. I do not recall any information going the other way.
If Toto wants to know the car's true performance, then each driver's data needs to be kept private on either side of the garage. There are two championship's and it is the WDC that probably generates most interest.
Surely, Toto can't expect to have the penny and the bun.
Toto now seems to be saying it was all Lewis's fault for trying too hard.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114619
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114619
If I was the team principal I'd be banging everyone in the garage including the drivers heads together and reminding them that the team is most important and the drivers championship is secondary to that.
The drivers especially get paid millions to work for the team, and work for the team they bloody well should.
The drivers especially get paid millions to work for the team, and work for the team they bloody well should.
rdjohn said:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114616
It has been apparent for the last few races that Lewis is attempting to mask his true pace from Nico, but if you listen to Nico's radio he is constantly getting information from his engineer as to where Lewis is gaining time on him, particularly in FP1&2. I do not recall any information going the other way.
If Toto wants to know the car's true performance, then each driver's data needs to be kept private on either side of the garage. There are two championship's and it is the WDC that probably generates most interest.
Surely, Toto can't expect to have the penny and the bun.
It's a team sport. Always has been and always will be.It has been apparent for the last few races that Lewis is attempting to mask his true pace from Nico, but if you listen to Nico's radio he is constantly getting information from his engineer as to where Lewis is gaining time on him, particularly in FP1&2. I do not recall any information going the other way.
If Toto wants to know the car's true performance, then each driver's data needs to be kept private on either side of the garage. There are two championship's and it is the WDC that probably generates most interest.
Surely, Toto can't expect to have the penny and the bun.
rdjohn said:
It has been apparent for the last few races that Lewis is attempting to mask his true pace from Nico, but if you listen to Nico's radio he is constantly getting information from his engineer as to where Lewis is gaining time on him, particularly in FP1&2. I do not recall any information going the other way.
You hear no more than about 20% of the radio communications on the TV.Cyder said:
If I was the team principal I'd be banging everyone in the garage including the drivers heads together and reminding them that the team is most important and the drivers championship is secondary to that.
The drivers especially get paid millions to work for the team, and work for the team they bloody well should.
Yes, they need a rocket 'cause they've only won 7 out of the 8 races so far and only have twice as many points as their nearest competitor. What are they playing at?The drivers especially get paid millions to work for the team, and work for the team they bloody well should.
Do you have a short memory? Remember what happened at Mclaren in 2007 when Alonso and Hammy fell out with each other and stitched each other up?
Hammy should arguably have won the championship had they not spent all season playing games with each other (Hungary pitlane for example).
The team should be working together and not pulling in separate directions. No good can come from secrecy and in-fighting from the teams point of view.
Escpecially now that other teams are starting to get their act together and are getting a bit closer in performance terms.
Hammy should arguably have won the championship had they not spent all season playing games with each other (Hungary pitlane for example).
The team should be working together and not pulling in separate directions. No good can come from secrecy and in-fighting from the teams point of view.
Escpecially now that other teams are starting to get their act together and are getting a bit closer in performance terms.
It's a team sport. Where Mercedes seem to be different from most is that they're trying to run one team, from bottom to top, rather than two teams with a tie only at the top. (Team orders, let Michael win if you don't want to be fired, give Michael your car, etc.)
Hamilton lost the race, even with the benefit of strategy, not by trying too hard in quali, but by exceeding the limits of what was possible. You can only push the envelope to the edge -- further than that and you either crash or go slower.
Hamilton lost the race, even with the benefit of strategy, not by trying too hard in quali, but by exceeding the limits of what was possible. You can only push the envelope to the edge -- further than that and you either crash or go slower.
I've heard Lewis get info on Nico's pace in both quali and the race. IMO the only bias in that team is in the heads of lewis fans / lewis haters.
They constantly finish races with gaps that imply that in free air they'd have pretty much the exact same finishing time, albeit they arrive there on different strategies. If that's showing a clear #1 / #2 driver status and the team biasing things then I need a new set of eyes.
They constantly finish races with gaps that imply that in free air they'd have pretty much the exact same finishing time, albeit they arrive there on different strategies. If that's showing a clear #1 / #2 driver status and the team biasing things then I need a new set of eyes.
Ahonen said:
rdjohn said:
It has been apparent for the last few races that Lewis is attempting to mask his true pace from Nico, but if you listen to Nico's radio he is constantly getting information from his engineer as to where Lewis is gaining time on him, particularly in FP1&2. I do not recall any information going the other way.
You hear no more than about 20% of the radio communications on the TV.Cyder said:
Do you have a short memory? Remember what happened at Mclaren in 2007 when Alonso and Hammy fell out with each other and stitched each other up?
Hammy should arguably have won the championship had they not spent all season playing games with each other (Hungary pitlane for example).
The team should be working together and not pulling in separate directions. No good can come from secrecy and in-fighting from the teams point of view.
Escpecially now that other teams are starting to get their act together and are getting a bit closer in performance terms.
My memory's fine thank you. In 2007 there were two teams with closely matched championship contending cars and 4 drivers in with a shout. After 8 races it was 4 apiece. Not 7 to a dominant team and the lost one down to mechanical issues.Hammy should arguably have won the championship had they not spent all season playing games with each other (Hungary pitlane for example).
The team should be working together and not pulling in separate directions. No good can come from secrecy and in-fighting from the teams point of view.
Escpecially now that other teams are starting to get their act together and are getting a bit closer in performance terms.
In any case McLaren would have won the 2007 constructors if they hadn't been caught cheating and that's the Championship that matters to the team.
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