Standing starts after saftey cars

Standing starts after saftey cars

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RGambo

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858 posts

175 months

Friday 20th June 2014
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114529... not happy with the constant faffing with the sport ( I have no issues with new engines or cars) BUt first we have double points at the end, now after every safty car we are going to reform on the grid and restart. The race is currently interuppted but the safty car, for good reason, but at least they keep moving, this was introduced many years ago to stop the constant red flags and restarts. So now they'll all form up, waste time and possibly cause another safty car on the run down to the first corner. Not to mention that the clutches are not really designed for multiple full blown launches, so you can imagine lap 65 of 70 have to do a full start on a worn clutch!
All this to improve the specticle.

StevieBee

13,373 posts

261 months

Friday 20th June 2014
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Ying and Yang...The flip side is that laps behind the safety car count as race laps so can (and have) dictated the outcome of a race that would have been different had the race restarted.

RobGT81

5,229 posts

192 months

Friday 20th June 2014
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Why bother with the safety car period at all? Just plonk the cars on the grid and wait for the incident to be dealt with? Fake noise, fake sparks... Long live the WEC! smile

cbcbcb

270 posts

217 months

Friday 20th June 2014
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StevieBee said:
Ying and Yang...The flip side is that laps behind the safety car count as race laps so can (and have) dictated the outcome of a race that would have been different had the race restarted.
The pace behind the safety car is now tightly controlled. So the race director could reduce the race length by the appropriate number of laps by calculating from the race stoppage time.

anonymous-user

60 months

Friday 20th June 2014
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RGambo said:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114529... not happy with the constant faffing with the sport ( I have no issues with new engines or cars) BUt first we have double points at the end, now after every safty car we are going to reform on the grid and restart. The race is currently interuppted but the safty car, for good reason, but at least they keep moving, this was introduced many years ago to stop the constant red flags and restarts. So now they'll all form up, waste time and possibly cause another safty car on the run down to the first corner. Not to mention that the clutches are not really designed for multiple full blown launches, so you can imagine lap 65 of 70 have to do a full start on a worn clutch!
All this to improve the specticle.
I do find it interesting that people who, on the face of it, are smart enough to build and run these technical marvels can, on the other hand, come up with such stupidity.

zac510

5,546 posts

212 months

Friday 20th June 2014
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Rolling starts are usually always a bit of a dead rubber anyway, the only thing they do do is bunch up the field. Which depending upon where your favourite driver is, is great or the worst thing ever.

007 VXR

64,187 posts

193 months

Friday 20th June 2014
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I think its a better idea than the rolling restart paperbag

Have them stay behind safty car until track is clear, then bring them around to the start line, line up then Go smile

Edited by 007 VXR on Friday 20th June 12:56

TheAngryDog

12,489 posts

215 months

Friday 20th June 2014
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Might as well red flag the race. Or an in between flag that signals to line up on the grid. What about the teams that choose to do a pitstop when the SC comes out? They'd have to stop the engines, which in turn can cause more issues, then there is the heat build up. The potential for cars breaking down on the grid, bringing the potential for a grid restart accident etc is too high.

Mad idea.

Daston

6,112 posts

209 months

Friday 20th June 2014
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The only plus I can see is the challenge to for the lead that it will bring, how many lead changes have there been recently due to safty car restarts? Most of the time the driver in front bunches the field up and then nails it before anyone else has realised.

anonymous-user

60 months

Friday 20th June 2014
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I can see lots of "cooked" electronics if the cars end up stationary after being driven at full tilt! (check out what happens when these cars are retired direct to the pits, and the number of fans / cooling systems that are immediately applied to the car.)

MrBaker

323 posts

136 months

Friday 20th June 2014
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The slow zone worked well at Le Mans I thought, cars drive past the incident on the pit limiter, no safety car required

andygo

6,909 posts

261 months

Friday 20th June 2014
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That sounds sensible.

Oh, hang on, its F1 here...

anonymous-user

60 months

Friday 20th June 2014
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Daston said:
The only plus I can see is the challenge to for the lead that it will bring, how many lead changes have there been recently due to safty car restarts? Most of the time the driver in front bunches the field up and then nails it before anyone else has realised.
Quite right, it's not often that there is a lead change from a rolling restart after a safety car. Which is exactly how it should be.

Isn't it sad that the only ideas to generate closer racing centre on contrived situations such as crappy tyres, pit stops, DRS, endlessly manipulated qualifying 'procedures' and now this?

Why not just stop the cars every 20 minutes and restart them once the tyres have cooled. That should sort the men from the boys. FFS.

DS240

4,820 posts

224 months

Friday 20th June 2014
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What a load of nonsense.

F1 really is starting to become a turn off. Stupid cones to make the cars louder, fake sparks...

I thought the idea of the rolling start was because it is safer and the whole point was to keep the race going without the need to stop it.

Why have this artificial rubbish. I really hope this is not passed.

Allyc85

7,225 posts

192 months

Friday 20th June 2014
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What a load of st! Waiting for cars to unlap themselves is bad enough, but having another full start will ruin the flow of the race and add further risk of restart crashes and breakdowns!

Im just glad to see its not just the WRC that is having ridiculous ideas dreamt up! What are the FIA smoking in Paris?!

wasserboxer

152 posts

125 months

Friday 20th June 2014
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MrBaker said:
The slow zone worked well at Le Mans I thought, cars drive past the incident on the pit limiter, no safety car required
That was an excellent idea - but I'm not sure if it could be properly implemented on a short circuit and short race distance.

ukaskew

10,642 posts

227 months

Friday 20th June 2014
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Even with radio contact from the team how the hell are they going to know where to line up on the grid? After the first 5 or 6 drivers it will be a nightmare getting everyone in the right place in one hit.

mattshiz

461 posts

147 months

Saturday 21st June 2014
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Why not have the slow zones like in Le Mans?

As soon as you reach a zone which is yellow and/or double waved yellow then you must engage the pit lane speed limiter.

confucuis

1,307 posts

130 months

Saturday 21st June 2014
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Whats going on with the FIA at the moment? They've gone and fked up the WRC with stupid ideas and suggestions such as a mid stage pit stop for tyres and now they're pissing about with F1. Whose behind these ideas, and how are they even being considered?

Also is there anywhere we can voice our opinions on these matters to the FIA?

24lemons

2,722 posts

191 months

Saturday 21st June 2014
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Seriously F1, put the funny smelling pens down and step away from the flip chart...