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Aye. Sky+'d all this about a week ago as soon as I saw the ads.
This is one of the maaaany reasons I got Sky F1. Ace channel. Anyone who doesn't have Sky F1 (or go to their home GP) is a pretend fan in my book. Nearly always on in the background while I do other stuff watching repeats, reruns, analysis and interviews.
This is one of the maaaany reasons I got Sky F1. Ace channel. Anyone who doesn't have Sky F1 (or go to their home GP) is a pretend fan in my book. Nearly always on in the background while I do other stuff watching repeats, reruns, analysis and interviews.
So - only Sky F1 purchasers are true fans of F1 - really?
I have loved F1 since I was about 8 years old - when Jim Clark and Graham Hill were my heroes. I still follow it as best I can - I will follow it even if it's not available on any TV channel (as was almost the case when I was young).
And I will follow it after Sky F1 is long gone.
I have loved F1 since I was about 8 years old - when Jim Clark and Graham Hill were my heroes. I still follow it as best I can - I will follow it even if it's not available on any TV channel (as was almost the case when I was young).
And I will follow it after Sky F1 is long gone.
You can find highlights from Auntie http://sidepodcast.com/post/classic-f1-videos-from...
1984 Monaco GP http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
1985 Portugese GP (10mins) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
1988 Japanese GP http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
1989 Japanese GP http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/13023144
1990 US GP (10mins) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula... ESPN's full coverage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh3QJ_w8yTs
1990 Monaco GP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6X9LsPl10E
1991 Brazillian GP http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
1991 Spanish GP (8mins) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/803455...
1992 Monaco GP (6mins) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
1993 European GP http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
1984 Monaco GP http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
1985 Portugese GP (10mins) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
1988 Japanese GP http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
1989 Japanese GP http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/13023144
1990 US GP (10mins) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula... ESPN's full coverage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh3QJ_w8yTs
1990 Monaco GP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6X9LsPl10E
1991 Brazillian GP http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
1991 Spanish GP (8mins) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/803455...
1992 Monaco GP (6mins) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
1993 European GP http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
entropy said:
You can find highlights from Auntie http://sidepodcast.com/post/classic-f1-videos-from...
1984 Monaco GP http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
1985 Portugese GP (10mins) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
1988 Japanese GP http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
1989 Japanese GP http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/13023144
1990 US GP (10mins) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula... ESPN's full coverage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh3QJ_w8yTs
1990 Monaco GP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6X9LsPl10E
1991 Brazillian GP http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
1991 Spanish GP (8mins) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/803455...
1992 Monaco GP (6mins) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
1993 European GP http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
Awesome thanks.1984 Monaco GP http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
1985 Portugese GP (10mins) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
1988 Japanese GP http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
1989 Japanese GP http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/13023144
1990 US GP (10mins) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula... ESPN's full coverage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh3QJ_w8yTs
1990 Monaco GP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6X9LsPl10E
1991 Brazillian GP http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
1991 Spanish GP (8mins) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/803455...
1992 Monaco GP (6mins) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
1993 European GP http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
Gaz. said:
mattikake said:
Anyone who doesn't have Sky F1 (or go to their home GP) is a pretend fan in my book.
I'm sure those who can't or won't have SSF1 will weep themselves to sleep knowing you do not think they are not 'real' fans. IMO fans are defined by the enjoyment their chosen passion brings them and nothing more.To me a fan is someone who supports their sport/team/favourite by active participation and usually in this system that means some sort of direct or indirect fiscal support regardless of circumstance, from merchandising to making Bernie richer in some way. A fan also makes sacrifices that their sport takes precedent. A true fan always finds a way to actively BE a fan.
It's a matter of honour and principle. Worthless things these days.
Opinions with reason are painful, no, even if it is in jest?
Mojocvh said:
Isn't this all becoming just a little bit overblown and orchestrated?
What do you mean? He was the last driver to die in formula 1 and was somebody pushing to improve the safety of the sport at the same time. Its 20 years since his death, I don't think anything is being blown out of proportion.Mojocvh said:
Isn't this all becoming just a little bit overblown and orchestrated?
In what way?John Watson once said, "...a man as famous as the Pope dying in your living room" - Shock horror that a channel dedicated to Formula 1 should make a bit of a deal about one of the major moments in it's history.
Thought that the last team mate program was excellent, still touched a few raw nerves for both of them I think.
Looking forwards to the other programs.
As for overblown not at all, quite apart from being (hopefully) the last F1 ever you'll ever see die, Senna was and still is an icon.
You want to talk about dedication, unwavering need to win and the commitment of every fibre of his being to doing just that - Senna is the yardstick, always will be.
He was such an interesting, confusing, conflicted character, I think it would of been really interesting to see what he did after retirement. I can almost imagine a tanned, slightly greying Ayrton with that wry smile he had stood in the back of a garage watching Bruno during his F1 tenure.
Looking forwards to the other programs.
As for overblown not at all, quite apart from being (hopefully) the last F1 ever you'll ever see die, Senna was and still is an icon.
You want to talk about dedication, unwavering need to win and the commitment of every fibre of his being to doing just that - Senna is the yardstick, always will be.
He was such an interesting, confusing, conflicted character, I think it would of been really interesting to see what he did after retirement. I can almost imagine a tanned, slightly greying Ayrton with that wry smile he had stood in the back of a garage watching Bruno during his F1 tenure.
Mikey G said:
What do you mean? He was the last driver to die in formula 1 and was somebody pushing to improve the safety of the sport at the same time. Its 20 years since his death, I don't think anything is being blown out of proportion.
Crafty_ said:
As for overblown not at all, quite apart from being (hopefully) the last F1 ever you'll ever see die, Senna was and still is an icon.
You want to talk about dedication, unwavering need to win and the commitment of every fibre of his being to doing just that - Senna is the yardstick, always will be.
^^^ What they said ^^^You want to talk about dedication, unwavering need to win and the commitment of every fibre of his being to doing just that - Senna is the yardstick, always will be.
Still remember watching the race as a 14 year old, Murray carrying the commentary as they weren't showing you what was happening and thinking this ain't good...
I actually do find it a bit overblown actually.
I grew up in an era when drivers died regularly in F1 and other forms of motor sport on a regular basis so when another driver died the reaction tended to be "it happens, sometimes".
It's not that Senna was the LAST driver to die in F1 that was shocking. It was the fact that
a) he was the FIRST to die in a race for 12 years
b) it was live on TV
c) it was Senna
Since 1994 a number of people involved in F1 HAVE been killed in testing or on race weekends so death hasn't left the sport - and probably never will. However, the probability of a high profile death like that of Senna's is far less likely (although not completely eliminated).
I grew up in an era when drivers died regularly in F1 and other forms of motor sport on a regular basis so when another driver died the reaction tended to be "it happens, sometimes".
It's not that Senna was the LAST driver to die in F1 that was shocking. It was the fact that
a) he was the FIRST to die in a race for 12 years
b) it was live on TV
c) it was Senna
Since 1994 a number of people involved in F1 HAVE been killed in testing or on race weekends so death hasn't left the sport - and probably never will. However, the probability of a high profile death like that of Senna's is far less likely (although not completely eliminated).
Eric Mc said:
I actually do find it a bit overblown actually.
I grew up in an era when drivers died regularly in F1 and other forms of motor sport on a regular basis so when another driver died the reaction tended to be "it happens, sometimes".
It's not that Senna was the LAST driver to die in F1 that was shocking. It was the fact that
a) he was the FIRST to die in a race for 12 years
b) it was live on TV
c) it was Senna
Since 1994 a number of people involved in F1 HAVE been killed in testing or on race weekends so death hasn't left the sport - and probably never will. However, the probability of a high profile death like that of Senna's is far less likely (although not completely eliminated).
I agree Eric, I think it's an age thing. Back in the 60's I remember my brother and I keeping a tally of the drivers killed during the season. Sounds macabre to younger people but I can recollect one year two or three drivers would leave us. I grew up in an era when drivers died regularly in F1 and other forms of motor sport on a regular basis so when another driver died the reaction tended to be "it happens, sometimes".
It's not that Senna was the LAST driver to die in F1 that was shocking. It was the fact that
a) he was the FIRST to die in a race for 12 years
b) it was live on TV
c) it was Senna
Since 1994 a number of people involved in F1 HAVE been killed in testing or on race weekends so death hasn't left the sport - and probably never will. However, the probability of a high profile death like that of Senna's is far less likely (although not completely eliminated).
It is purely the senna effect. Seen as a legend and killed before his time during a race. It was a shocking event for the sport and drew reaction from even non motoring fans, so even if you never followed Motorsport, you knew about this.
As comparison, if a driver is killed in a motor race as happens in other series/events, unless you follow motor racing you probably won't hear about it. Whereas this had worldwide coverage and effect. F1 changed in a huge way after, it was an era changing event.
I don't see an F1 channel putting on a few programs during a gap in races as being overblown. It would actually be nice if they did more unique programs for other drivers or teams.
It is nicer having the choice to see it rather than no one making programs about F1.
As comparison, if a driver is killed in a motor race as happens in other series/events, unless you follow motor racing you probably won't hear about it. Whereas this had worldwide coverage and effect. F1 changed in a huge way after, it was an era changing event.
I don't see an F1 channel putting on a few programs during a gap in races as being overblown. It would actually be nice if they did more unique programs for other drivers or teams.
It is nicer having the choice to see it rather than no one making programs about F1.
I don't mind whether it's overblown or not. Any chance to watch anything related to past F1 is great. I'm happy to pay for Sky F1 too. The beeb is (was?) renowned for the quality of its documentary making and has bbc4 (rip bbc3) to show this on if it deems it too 'niche'. Yet it persists in 'investing' heavily in quality programming such as 'the voice'. A chance missed, I feel.
And talking about the greatest F1 driver...every 3 months or so the Nostalgia Forum from Autosport - a Haymarket publication...so should be ok on here - holds a film show/talk in Albury near Bishops Stortford. Next Saturday Peter Windsor, Cedric Selzer and Bob Dance talk about Jim Clark. There are still a few tickets left and the ticket price includes great food and related films too.
So if you wish to hear more about THE most naturally gifted race driver that ever lived (ooooh courting controversy here....) why not check out TNF on Autosport.com for details on how to attend.
And talking about the greatest F1 driver...every 3 months or so the Nostalgia Forum from Autosport - a Haymarket publication...so should be ok on here
- holds a film show/talk in Albury near Bishops Stortford. Next Saturday Peter Windsor, Cedric Selzer and Bob Dance talk about Jim Clark. There are still a few tickets left and the ticket price includes great food and related films too.So if you wish to hear more about THE most naturally gifted race driver that ever lived (ooooh courting controversy here....) why not check out TNF on Autosport.com for details on how to attend.
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