sauber's 2014 Steering Wheel diagram
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Way too much stuff on there, seriously! Can the driver really be expected to control those all during a race? Could they not be condensed into 2 or 3 knobs that control 90% of the features? I just look at all those controls and think of all the different ways they could be set wrong!
Although I like that it has an ignition advance knob, just like a pre-war Bugatti.
Although I like that it has an ignition advance knob, just like a pre-war Bugatti.
zac510 said:
Way too much stuff on there, seriously! Can the driver really be expected to control those all during a race? Could they not be condensed into 2 or 3 knobs that control 90% of the features? I just look at all those controls and think of all the different ways they could be set wrong!
Although I like that it has an ignition advance knob, just like a pre-war Bugatti.
Think about it. If you have to control that many features, then you need many buttons, or few buttons but many menus. Now look at an advanced aircraft cockpit and see what they have.Although I like that it has an ignition advance knob, just like a pre-war Bugatti.
If you need to react fast, or have limited brain cycles, many buttons is faster than submenus.
The question really is, should a driver be faced with that many control variables in the first place, regardless of how they are selected? It's been getting worse every season?
Vaud said:
Think about it. If you have to control that many features, then you need many buttons, or few buttons but many menus. Now look at an advanced aircraft cockpit and see what they have.
If you need to react fast, or have limited brain cycles, many buttons is faster than submenus.
The question really is, should a driver be faced with that many control variables in the first place, regardless of how they are selected? It's been getting worse every season?
But do you really *need* to control that many functions? I think that people think they do, it gives a feeling of empowerment and control. In most people's minds more == better. I can understand that. There could be some kind of placebo effect going on.If you need to react fast, or have limited brain cycles, many buttons is faster than submenus.
The question really is, should a driver be faced with that many control variables in the first place, regardless of how they are selected? It's been getting worse every season?
I do remember last year being quite surprised that after joining Mercedes Lewis asked for the number of knobs on his steering wheel to be reduced and I quite liked the idea that he was very focused on what he needed to do his job and aware of the limitations of his brain. I thought it was in all driver's and engineer's minds for more knobs to be more better after M Schu started the craze in the early 2000s.
zac510 said:
But do you really *need* to control that many functions? I think that people think they do, it gives a feeling of empowerment and control. In most people's minds more == better. I can understand that. There could be some kind of placebo effect going on.
I do remember last year being quite surprised that after joining Mercedes Lewis asked for the number of knobs on his steering wheel to be reduced and I quite liked the idea that he was very focused on what he needed to do his job and aware of the limitations of his brain. I thought it was in all driver's and engineer's minds for more knobs to be more better after M Schu started the craze in the early 2000s.
1) I don't think Schumacher started the craze, I think the majority was driven by the removal of pit to car telemetry.I do remember last year being quite surprised that after joining Mercedes Lewis asked for the number of knobs on his steering wheel to be reduced and I quite liked the idea that he was very focused on what he needed to do his job and aware of the limitations of his brain. I thought it was in all driver's and engineer's minds for more knobs to be more better after M Schu started the craze in the early 2000s.
2) Given the increased complexity of engines and systems, it's an inevitability... sadly.
3) No placebo, they are all important. If they were all banned it would not change the spectacle, but fewer variables would be changeable if that makes sense.
It's time to re-introduce pits to car control systems, its ridiculous the driver has to deal with all that "stuff", most of the time the engineer tells the driver over the radio comms what to set anyway, so what's the difference?
I would think if you lose pits to car radio, you would be pretty stuffed to even finish a race this year.
I would think if you lose pits to car radio, you would be pretty stuffed to even finish a race this year.
jsf said:
It's time to re-introduce pits to car control systems, its ridiculous the driver has to deal with all that "stuff", most of the time the engineer tells the driver over the radio comms what to set anyway, so what's the difference?
I would think if you lose pits to car radio, you would be pretty stuffed to even finish a race this year.
I agree, or allow more "machine learning /AI" control systems linked to gps - which might even be road relevant...I would think if you lose pits to car radio, you would be pretty stuffed to even finish a race this year.
Didn't somebody accidentally hit it last year? One of the lower teams, may have been Max?
And what do you do when you make a selection on the MFRS? Surely there is another dial to make an adjustment to whatever you have selected?
Edit, think I see it now, the 10-1+ button seems to do it...
And what do you do when you make a selection on the MFRS? Surely there is another dial to make an adjustment to whatever you have selected?
Edit, think I see it now, the 10-1+ button seems to do it...
Edited by Mikey G on Friday 11th April 00:14
Vaud said:
I agree, or allow more "machine learning /AI" control systems linked to gps - which might even be road relevant...
Is there anything in the rules that would restrict teams from having cars that knew where they are on the track and select the gear engine mapping etc to suit the corner?Driver goes out does a quick lap then just has to steer if makes it to the front and the cars brakes and accelerates based on what has been taught. Would work in theory for the guy in front at least. pipe dream or possible?
G0ldfysh said:
Is there anything in the rules that would restrict teams from having cars that knew where they are on the track and select the gear engine mapping etc to suit the corner?
Driver goes out does a quick lap then just has to steer if makes it to the front and the cars brakes and accelerates based on what has been taught. Would work in theory for the guy in front at least. pipe dream or possible?
They were heading that way a few years ago with a lot of pit control based on car telemetry.Driver goes out does a quick lap then just has to steer if makes it to the front and the cars brakes and accelerates based on what has been taught. Would work in theory for the guy in front at least. pipe dream or possible?
I think they still found the driver is quicker based on current tech.
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