When will Maldonado get a race ban?
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Surely it has to be soon?
Given he just drove into the side of Gutierrez, has in the past driven into Hamilton on a cool down lap on purpose, driven into Perez in quali, the man is surely known as a nutter?
If Riccardo get's a 10 place grid penalty for a lose wheel nut, how does Maldonado "just" get a 10 sec stop and go?
Given he just drove into the side of Gutierrez, has in the past driven into Hamilton on a cool down lap on purpose, driven into Perez in quali, the man is surely known as a nutter?
If Riccardo get's a 10 place grid penalty for a lose wheel nut, how does Maldonado "just" get a 10 sec stop and go?
I've said it before, but I feel it deserved repetition.
Pastor Maldonado has no place in an open wheeled race series.
He puts no value on the well-being of others.
Given enough time, he will be involved in a fatality. You would have thought breaking a marshals back would have given him pause, but it would appear his fathers extreme wealth is even enough to overturn a life-time ban, and his behaviour continues unchanged.
Pastor Maldonado has no place in an open wheeled race series.
He puts no value on the well-being of others.
Given enough time, he will be involved in a fatality. You would have thought breaking a marshals back would have given him pause, but it would appear his fathers extreme wealth is even enough to overturn a life-time ban, and his behaviour continues unchanged.
Can't remember who it was, but I saw a comment on Twitter about handing him a 5 race ban. He's a danger to the other drivers with some truly shocking antics. And by a strange coincidence, another Venezuelan driver; Cecotto jr is also as bad in GP2; having pulled off some crazy antics in his career.
I was surprised at the leniency of the punishment he was handed down after another stupid and mindless bit of driving. If he didn't have massive pockets he wouldn't get anywhere near an F1 car, he's an absolute liability, as he seems to have no sense of danger.
I really hope he gets numerous driving bans, he shouldn't be in F1 after what happened in Monaco.
I really hope he gets numerous driving bans, he shouldn't be in F1 after what happened in Monaco.
DC suggested racing incident. Could well be. The lack of severity with the Stewards' penalty would appear to confirm this.
Looked far worst than it was. More bad luck than bad judgement. I clearly remember several wheels coming together incidents to lift cars clear of the track. Simple physics if the wheels align in a certain way. Mark Webber had a really spectacular one a few seasons ago.
The only way to avoid that ever again happening in future is to ban open wheel racers.
Still, don't let my, the Stewards and DC's opinion stop the "Get Maldonado" campaign ...
Looked far worst than it was. More bad luck than bad judgement. I clearly remember several wheels coming together incidents to lift cars clear of the track. Simple physics if the wheels align in a certain way. Mark Webber had a really spectacular one a few seasons ago.
The only way to avoid that ever again happening in future is to ban open wheel racers.
Still, don't let my, the Stewards and DC's opinion stop the "Get Maldonado" campaign ...
It is motorsport! A bit of a daft move but not worthy of a ban, it just looked worse as the car rolled, possibly due to the low dildo nose - drivers make mistakes shocker - as Brundle or Crofty said during the race, it has got to the point where as soon as a driver doesn't like being passed, they jump on the radio so their daddy can complain to the teacher.
Soon the drivers will be afraid to overtake in case it goes wrong and they get banned for a few races unless they say sorry for being naughty to Miss.
Look at Romain Grosjean a couple of seasons ago - look at him last year.
If all the drivers were perfect it would be boring (until today 2014 has been).
Soon the drivers will be afraid to overtake in case it goes wrong and they get banned for a few races unless they say sorry for being naughty to Miss.
Look at Romain Grosjean a couple of seasons ago - look at him last year.
If all the drivers were perfect it would be boring (until today 2014 has been).
Edited by Emeye on Monday 7th April 00:59
Edited by Emeye on Monday 7th April 01:06
MGJohn said:
DC suggested racing incident. Could well be. The lack of severity with the Stewards' penalty would appear to confirm this.
Looked far worst than it was. More bad luck than bad judgement. I clearly remember several wheels coming together incidents to lift cars clear of the track. Simple physics if the wheels align in a certain way. Mark Webber had a really spectacular one a few seasons ago.
The only way to avoid that ever again happening in future is to ban open wheel racers.
Still, don't let my, the Stewards and DC's opinion stop the "Get Maldonado" campaign ...
Do you not see a pattern of behaviour?Looked far worst than it was. More bad luck than bad judgement. I clearly remember several wheels coming together incidents to lift cars clear of the track. Simple physics if the wheels align in a certain way. Mark Webber had a really spectacular one a few seasons ago.
The only way to avoid that ever again happening in future is to ban open wheel racers.
Still, don't let my, the Stewards and DC's opinion stop the "Get Maldonado" campaign ...
Emeye said:
It is motorsport! A bit of a daft move but not worthy of a ban, it just looked worse as the car rolled, possibly due to the low dildo nose - drivers make mistakes shocker - as Brundle or Crofty said during the race, it has got to the point where as soon as a driver doesn't like being passed, they jump on the radio so their daddy can complain to the teacher.
The roll was just by chance, really due to an accelerating tyre running up the front tyre of Maldonado, if you see how the Sauber flew off the wheel it was just that.However, it was just ham fisted by Maldonado, he literally drove into the side of Guiterrez, on a totally different line just coming out of the pits. If Maldonado had gone over the top would that have been better??
Emeye said:
Look at Romain Grosjean a couple of seasons ago - look at him last year.
Exactly, he got a race ban, he got slated for it... However, he was making these mistakes at the top of the grid, meaning at least he was quick and out of control, not just out of control MGJohn said:
DC suggested racing incident. Could well be. The lack of severity with the Stewards' penalty would appear to confirm this.
I don't see it as a racing incident at all - given they weren't racing, Guiterrez was taking the racing line, Maldonado wasn't and drove into the side of him. Martin Brundle conversely was pretty critical of Maldonado.The fact he has a penalty suggests it wasn't a racing incident, if it was just a racing incident he'd have no penalty at all. But the Riccardo get's a 10 place grid penalty for a lose wheel nut (bad), Maldonado get's a 5 place for driving into the side of someone?
MGJohn said:
Looked far worst than it was. More bad luck than bad judgement. I clearly remember several wheels coming together incidents to lift cars clear of the track. Simple physics if the wheels align in a certain way. Mark Webber had a really spectacular one a few seasons ago.
I'm not questioning the accident itself, just how they even came into contact in the first place and the fact it is pretty often Maldonado - wasn't Vergne saying he was trying to kill him!?MGJohn said:
Still, don't let my, the Stewards and DC's opinion stop the "Get Maldonado" campaign ...
We'll ignore MB's opinion then (and the fact the stewards do not share that view as they gave a penalty) And really, no different to the "Get Grosjean", "Button is better than Lewis / Lewis is better than Button / Hamilton vs. Everyone else", "Vettel can't drive", "Alonso's eyebrows are where all his talent lies", "Everyone is *ahem* Faster than Massa"
RemarkLima said:
Emeye said:
Look at Romain Grosjean a couple of seasons ago - look at him last year.
Exactly, he got a race ban, he got slated for it... However, he was making these mistakes at the top of the grid, meaning at least he was quick and out of control, not just out of control gherkins said:
RemarkLima said:
Emeye said:
Look at Romain Grosjean a couple of seasons ago - look at him last year.
Exactly, he got a race ban, he got slated for it... However, he was making these mistakes at the top of the grid, meaning at least he was quick and out of control, not just out of control Grosjean was (is?) still young and was trying too hard, inevitably, he pushed it too far and made mistakes that ended up as some pretty big shunts.
he was punished and has learned.
Maldonaldo is not learning, he's come pretty close to killing people several times now, he's had a lifetime ban (lifted with the help a a huge wallet), he's risked the lives of more marshals than I care to think about, and yet is not learning.
Yesterdays one is a classic, straight out of the pits, and piles into the side of Gutierrez, (who left a good cars width between himself and the apex).
no excuses, he should be gone.
Agree completely with the last 2 comments.
Grosjean showed the humility and maturity to learn from his mistakes, and became a much better driver. He was outstanding in the second half of last season and has earned everyone’s respect for the way he has turned his career around.
Maldonado, on the other hand, appears to be too arrogant, too stupid or perhaps both to learn from his mistakes. He was GP2 champion and has won a Grand prix in fine style, so he is not short of talent, but his attitude makes him a liability.
DC says that there are fast racing drivers and there are good racing drivers. It’s fairly obvious which category Maldonado falls into.
Grosjean showed the humility and maturity to learn from his mistakes, and became a much better driver. He was outstanding in the second half of last season and has earned everyone’s respect for the way he has turned his career around.
Maldonado, on the other hand, appears to be too arrogant, too stupid or perhaps both to learn from his mistakes. He was GP2 champion and has won a Grand prix in fine style, so he is not short of talent, but his attitude makes him a liability.
DC says that there are fast racing drivers and there are good racing drivers. It’s fairly obvious which category Maldonado falls into.
I agree that it was a racing incident but it's one that should not have happened and showed, in my very humble opinion, a pretty large error in judgement on Pastor's part. I was thinking he might have been given 5-6 points to make the point but, given his track record I think he'll be picking up enough 'driving standards' points this season to get there eventually.
I don't buy in to the hyperbole about him killing someone though - much as it looked pretty spectacular the speed and energy involved was relatively low and driver protection very good. I suspect he'd have got the same 3 points had he put Gutierrez out through suspension damage.
I don't buy in to the hyperbole about him killing someone though - much as it looked pretty spectacular the speed and energy involved was relatively low and driver protection very good. I suspect he'd have got the same 3 points had he put Gutierrez out through suspension damage.
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