Red Bull - if and when will they turn it around?
Discussion
Apologies for another Red Bull thread, but what are thoughts about how Red Bull will do this year?
Clearly they have got this years car wrong, not a single lap completed in testing today on top of their other woes.
Christian Horner stating in interview that they threw too many resources at last years car to secure the championship.
Now clearly they have Newey, arguably the best of this generation, Horner who had led the team to huge success, and a lot of money.
Do we think they will catch up within a few races, or is the general opinion (as I believe) they are going to struggle to compete and catch up in time. Now I realise this could be totally wrong, and the first race hasn't even happened yet, so this us only my opinion.
Clearly they have got this years car wrong, not a single lap completed in testing today on top of their other woes.
Christian Horner stating in interview that they threw too many resources at last years car to secure the championship.
Now clearly they have Newey, arguably the best of this generation, Horner who had led the team to huge success, and a lot of money.
Do we think they will catch up within a few races, or is the general opinion (as I believe) they are going to struggle to compete and catch up in time. Now I realise this could be totally wrong, and the first race hasn't even happened yet, so this us only my opinion.
RYH64E said:
It doesn't matter what Red Bull do, unless Renault sort out the engine issues (both power and reliability) they won't be winning (or even finishing) races.
I'm not a Red Bull fan, but I don't want to see them hampered by issues outside of their control.
They chose which fI'm not a Red Bull fan, but I don't want to see them hampered by issues outside of their control.
king engine to put in there!Caterham, with the same power unit in the back, managed a full race distance today.
I have no doubts that RBR will sort out their end of the issues before too long, but, as said above, they need Renault to sort their issues too before they can be fully competitive.
Following Peter Windsor's trackside updates from the testing, he commented how good and how fast the car looked in the corners when it was running on Friday. Button also said something similar after he had been on track at the same time.
Following Peter Windsor's trackside updates from the testing, he commented how good and how fast the car looked in the corners when it was running on Friday. Button also said something similar after he had been on track at the same time.
I find it puzzling to observe some state here on PH they do not care because of the new 2014 Formula. Whilst others even showing some glee at the possibility of Red Bull being 'also rans' this season. A viewpoint I and no doubt most true F1 enthusiasts do not share. Keeping in mind, for the past four seasons, all the other teams were the 'also rans'.
If Red Bull do struggle badly for more than the first few races this new season, I will find that interesting particularly from the viewpoint of how team Red Bull try to overcome these apparent initial set-backs.
However, until the first two or three races have been run and some more reliable 'form' has actually emerged to show the real race pace and reliability scenario, what we have seen so far could all be misleading. Even the first few races may not be a reliable indicator. Only a couple of seasons ago we had a whole series of different winners in the first few races before things started to settle down as a more stable pattern emerged.
I always look forward to the new season. So, I shall reserve judgement until the first few races. Looking forward to this upcoming new season much moreso than I have done in the past. That's because with so many changes to both Formula and teams, I anticipate it will be one of the most interesting for many years for those very reasons.
Bring it on ..
If Red Bull do struggle badly for more than the first few races this new season, I will find that interesting particularly from the viewpoint of how team Red Bull try to overcome these apparent initial set-backs.
However, until the first two or three races have been run and some more reliable 'form' has actually emerged to show the real race pace and reliability scenario, what we have seen so far could all be misleading. Even the first few races may not be a reliable indicator. Only a couple of seasons ago we had a whole series of different winners in the first few races before things started to settle down as a more stable pattern emerged.
I always look forward to the new season. So, I shall reserve judgement until the first few races. Looking forward to this upcoming new season much moreso than I have done in the past. That's because with so many changes to both Formula and teams, I anticipate it will be one of the most interesting for many years for those very reasons.
Bring it on ..
Gaz. said:
This picture was taken today:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014...
I think they'll turn it around by Melbourne.
barcelona at the earliest. http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014...
I think they'll turn it around by Melbourne.
They'll turn it around, it'll take a good couple of months though- and even when they do turn it around, they won't have anything like the advantage they had before. I think the Renault powertrain will still be overweight and down on power compared to the Mercedes even when they do get it working reliably.
but we've heard that the renault engine, even when functioning, is about 80-100 hp down on the Mercedes (ferrari is supposedly 60 hp down). so there is no way they will be able to compete, since renault can't make any changes to increase the power generated until after the season is over.
woof said:
Renault have had a word with the FIA and they have a "special" extension on the engine homologation deadline of yesterday.
Red Bull are the new Ferrari. F1 can't exist without Red Bulls money.
Really? Reports suggest otherwise. Red Bull are the new Ferrari. F1 can't exist without Red Bulls money.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112720
RealSquirrels said:
but we've heard that the renault engine, even when functioning, is about 80-100 hp down on the Mercedes (ferrari is supposedly 60 hp down). so there is no way they will be able to compete, since renault can't make any changes to increase the power generated until after the season is over.
if you have a credible source for those figures I'll eat my hat.
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